The poor people in the 'plane, would they have suffered?

[hellymelly]

The news is so shocking, have avoided the tv news for days but read the papers today. Combined with the terrible images of injured children in Gaza it is all so upsetting. I can't help but think about the passengers in the downed airoplane, would they have been alive when they hit the ground? Or would they have passed out from lack of oxygen before then? I just hope that they knew nothing and were killed instantly but I realise that is probably unlikely. .

[PhantomTollbooth]

Most people on here are NOT voyeurishly speculating at all. They are asking very normal questions. They are sharing how it makes them feel. Without these sharing of emotions and commiserations some peoples lives would be a lot harder.

[PhantomTollbooth]

Exactly Gussie and one reason why I never watch films like that. But I bet some of you on your moral high horse have watched Titanic haven't you?

[FidelineAndBombazine]

Would you go to A&E and ask those questions, Phantom?

Of course she bloody wouldn't. What kind of question is that?

[Diorella]

I agree phantom. There are many threads on mn which I find boring, useless, unnecessarily unpleasant! I just avoid them.

Your comment was deleted because although all animals are equal some are more equal than others.

[SlicedAndDiced]

I might need therapy then

One of the first things I thought on hearing about the tragedy was 'oh god I hope they didn't suffer'.

I think it's human to sometimes dwell on the final moments of the people involved in a catastrophe. Especially if we can relate to them on a personal level. In this case maybe because we take our children on planes or in the past have feared being in a plane crash and imagined it during some turbulence.

I certainly hadn't considered myself ghoulish before this thread.

I think it's just empathy?

[PhantomTollbooth]

I haven't actually asked any questions Beer.

People have expressed their anxiety on here with only one or two prurient comments as you put it. And as I said, that is par for the MN course and NOT a reason to censor commentary that is in the main, distressed. respectful and appropriate.

Have YOU ever watched a disaster movie? Because they certainly are exploitative.

[PhantomTollbooth]

Beer

Not once have you heard me defend the comment on here that caused the anger. And I won't defend it. But I am disgusted that normal human reactions are being pathologised by a bunch of people who have clearly no clue about what a normal human reaction is. Shame on YOU for making those decent people feel ashamed of their anxiety and need to reach out to others.

[Squtternutbaush]

As said a few times its the discussion of facial expressions and body positions I have an issue with.

I understand the need to discuss and understand death but I don't understand why you would want that level of detail?!

When my brothers best friend died he did torment himself about the pain he would've gone through and the circumstances around his death, other people came forward to ask/gossip about the unusual circumstances with little emotion or even knowledge of who he was. It was hurtful and hugely disrespectful and absolutely no different to this.

[PhantomTollbooth]

Anyway i have wasted enough time on such ridiculousness. Thanks for the many messages of support both on and off the thread. I am glad there are some bloody balanced nuanced people around on Mumsnet still.

[gertiegusset]

I don't see that as a fair comparison Beer, no one is standing in front of a bereaved family and barracking at them for details.
Discussing what has been on the news and talking about what happened is not the same.
Airplane disaster films where they're hugging and praying, wasn't there one about 9/11 already?

[Diorella]

Exactly Phantom.

There is no moral highground in turning like a sanctimonious mob to berate people who are just shocked by the terrible things that happen to other people. As somebody upthread said, it is one of the better sides of human nature, that we care about what happens to people even when we don't know them. It is not correct that people's concern for those passengers' relatives would upset the relatives. Far from it.

[Everard]

Of course people wouldn't go up and ask the recently bereaved about their loved one's last moments! That is not what is going on here.

And any person affected by the recent tragedy probably has a billion and one other things to be doing right now other than searching the net for people's conversations about what is, after all, a pretty big news story.

Someone mentioned therapy. My understanding of therapy is allowing people to acknowledge that their feelings have validity.

I have watched Titanic. The moments that stand out for me were not the experiences of the survivors but those of the unlucky ones. I remember the elderly couple turning their backs on the lifeboats and lying down on their bed together. I remember the mother in third class, singing her children to sleep as the water came under the door. I remember the designer of the ship refusing to leave. These moments mean something to people. It is not ghoulish, it is simply wondering how we would react in the same circumstance, or, in the case of the plane crash, would we suffer?

[gertiegusset]

The people who drowned on the Titanic were real enough though.
And the ones who died in the Tsunami.

[weatherall]

Nrwt but death is a natural part of life but as a society we don't deal with it in a very healthy way. We don't talk about it. We shun people who are bereaved. We are in denial. Most people don't even have wills.

So when something like this happens death suddenly becomes something that is socially acceptable to talk about.

Some people may not like that but in forums no one is forced to ji

[weatherall]

Join in a discussion.

[Everard]

I don't think it is ghoulish to watch the news reports. I consider it staying informed.

[Diorella]

Well then Beer, posters who feel like that should stop turnign every thread in to a bun fight. Stay away. There really is no moral highground in turning up to insult other people for being human. You said something about some people seeing this thread as entertainment, well I feel that for some people, threads like this are an outlet for their sanctimony.

I have experienced tragedy in my own family and I wanted other people to know and to care and to be affected.

[CorporateRockWhore]

I find it pretty sad that people expressing concerns about the tone and level of detail in this thread are being accused of trying to take 'the moral highground.'

Maybe we're just appealing for sensitivity and human decency?

Oh, and maybe we came on to the thread because the OP wasn't ghoulish, but then the tone rapidly changed, and we felt we had to say something. Is that alright? Or should I leave because I disagree? Yes, let's just ignore things we feel are wrong, that's always worked well, hasn't it?

[areyoubeingserviced]

Agree totally with Phantom that we cannot allow out own personal experiences to shut down conversation on a public forum,