What is the matter with people?

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UKIP now have almost 30% of the seats on my local council where there is no overall control, so I guess they will have real influence.

In my ward they won the seat with 41% of the vote.

I live among these people and I have no idea what's going on in their heads or why. Can anyone explain?

Who are all these people - I've never met anyone who admits to being a UKIP voter?

Isitmebut

You can laugh all you like but that fact remalins that between them the Tories and Labour handed this power to Brussels in the first place.

And now they are moaning about it.

Didn't they think through the implications before they did it?

Thought not.

WetAugust ….. so you still want to flog the EU electoral dead ‘orse, even though Ukip cannot deliver their ONE promise – and want to be thought of as a serious political party, rather than a group playing on peoples fears for votes?

OK, firstly, Farage like the Conservatives believed in the original Common Market concept, and no one can ever accuse the Conservatives of signing up to, or administering, a fat bureaucratic governance, full of uncompetitive rules/red tape, that assumes some ever-green money tree will pay for everything for the rest of our lives.

Which party would not sign up to the Social Chapter and Human Wrongs Act, and who did AFTER 1997 when Labour came to power?

Who gave away the Thatcher ££££ Rebate in an attempt to ‘orse trade French Farming subsidies and got trampled on? Clue; name begins with BLAIR.

Which party and who originally promised a referendum, then went back on it saying The Lisbon Treaty didn’t need a referendum, and signed it later than other leaders, literally entering via the back door to avoid photographers? Clue; Labour and Brown.

Which party tried to get a 2017 referendum through this parliament, but could not get coalition support, NEEDED as the Conservatives don’t have a majority, due to UKIP getting around 26,000 votes across all key marginals in 2010 on a manifesto they ditched in it's entirety for Labour votes?

Which party is the only party that with a 2015 parliamentary majority, can and will offer the UK people a YES/NO say on the EU, IF UKIP STOP PEDDLING THEIR LIES, that Ukip can bring the UK out of the EU?

Just a few ‘facts’ a Ukipper wouldn’t bother with in their propaganda, if hit around the face with a wet fact….err kipper – but I understand why you do it as Ukip have NOTHING to offer the electorate, other than their ONE policy they cannot deliver.

Result; a vote for Ukip is a vote for a pro EU Labour Party 2015 government and their immigration and economic ‘expertise’.

Could be worst...the village from where I come from is completely dominated by Front National !

Front National dominance and that live rabbit insert, it doesn't get worse that that...if there was a 'sign of the cross' on the Smileys list, I would have awarded you one for your suffrage/suffering. lol

The Tories lost me for good when they signed the Maastricht Treaty. Unlike Ken Clark, the then Chancellor, I did actually read the Treaty.

So I have no intention of voting for a party to help them undo the crap they helped cause.

The best thing that can happen is that Ed gets in and the Tories finally fragment into Pro and Anti EU and start lancing that boil that has existed since Thatcher's day, in fact, which was responsible for getting rid of Thatcher too.

No one blames immigrants, everyone does blame the ruling class.

That's hilarious, claig. You should inform UKIP.

Here's an astonishing attack from a UKIP fascist, ranting about immigrants and immigration - 'Send them all back!':

WetAugust …. In a two/three UK main political party system, where one party has a reputation for handing over broken economies and the other fixing them, in your somewhat naïve political view – you would rather see the UK drown in national debt, after being returned to Labour – due to the Conservatives signing an EU Treaty 22-years ago, when the EU had 12 members, rather than 28 with more in the wings?

It sounds as if you are putting as much thought in placing your electoral mark, as the vast majority of Ukip voters.

And there is my point, your Ukip tar each party with the same pro Federalist brush is propaganda and has no basis, as clearly the federalism move (and subsequent events) happened years after Maastricht, where ‘free movement’ of labour was between 12 mature economies, rather than 28 countries with often ‘emerging’ economies, where economic migration was their way to personal wealth/growth.

Re any pro EU come-what-may Conservatives; thanks to an economic crash that has affected the ‘one currency and interest rate fits all’ Eurozone far worse than the UK, AND last weeks EU elections rise in the far left and right ‘anti’ groups – for their own political survival, never mind common sense, they will be firmly behind Cameron’s REFORMED EU membership, or ‘out’, should the people so vote.

A 2015 vote for Ukip is a vote for Labour, and keeps Ukips/Farage’s Westminster political hopes alive, while getting an EU salary – are you an MEP per chance?

ttosca, Victoria Ayling was a Conservative

"Victoria Ayling, 54, made the video when she was seeking candidacy for the Conservatives in the 2008 EU elections – she defected to Ukip in March this year."

metro.co.uk/2013/12/08/ukip-councillor-victoria-ayling-on-immigrants-send-them-all-back-4222284/

Is that some sort of defense? Does it matter if she was a Tory scum at the time?

Does it not bother you that she has now joined UKIP? If not - why not?

Does it not bother you that a UKIP councillor for Linchonshire can talk about immigrants this way?

UKIP didn't know about this video when she made it. She is yet another one of these former Tories who have embarrassed UKIP.

I don't like it and I don't like what she said, but I am not voting for her, I am voting to get out of the EU and to "cut the green crap" and for an end to spin, and I am not going to let ex-Tories like her put me off from what I believe.

Bullingdon Boros's view of the People's Revolution and the People's Army

"BORIS: REVOLT OF THE 'PEASANTS'

Boris Johnson has put Ukip’s success in the European elections down to the ‘peasants’ being in ‘revolt’.

The Eton-educated Tory mayor of London said the Eurosceptic parties who swept to victory across the continent were simply ‘pitchfork-wielding populists’.

Writing in a national newspaper, he described them as converging on Brussels ‘drunk on local hooch, chanting nationalist slogans and preparing to give the federalist machinery a good old kicking with their authentically folkloric clogs’.

He described people voting for anti-EU parties, including Ukip, as taking part in ‘a kind of peasants’ revolt’ or a ‘jacquerie’; an uprising against the French nobility in 1358."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2639973/My-Peoples-Army-march-First-Farage-aims-Newark-Tories-Labour-heartlands.html

UKIP is full of racists, claig, including Nigel Farage.

How many racists and racist policies does it take to convince you that UKIP is a racist party?

You may very well be voting UKIP because of their anti-EU stance, unfortunately, you are supporting a fascist party.

The more support they have the more they will notch up the nasty rhetoric, and the more anti-immigrant/coloured/disabled/women/gay/lesbian/other verbal and physical attacks, and policies we will see.

On your conscience so be it!

"THE MOST UNPREDICTABLE POLL IN A CENTURY: EXPERT ANTHONY KING ON WHY NEXT YEAR'S GENERAL ELECTION HAS LEADERS TERRIFIED

Next year’s General Election, already the most unpredictable since the 1920s, has just become even more unpredictable.

Everyone knows how all four parties fared in the European elections. No one knows how any of them will fare in May 2015. Every leader except Nigel Farage has reason to be terrified."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2639973/My-Peoples-Army-march-First-Farage-aims-Newark-Tories-Labour-heartlands.html

Bring back "take those people on" Blair and the entire New Labour Adams Family, let them try and stop "The Revolt of the Peasants"

One EU Policy - One Ukip Lie = 100% Ukip deceit.

If fooling the people was the only way to get votes, far from crowing about it in brainless posts, I wouldn't be able to get up in the morning and turn the computer on.

Why wouldn't political leaders be worried, they are not competing with Ukip 'toe to toe' on policies, Ukip don't have any.

And while we were lucky in 2010 that ' a few good men' put aside their political differences in a coalition due to a national emergency BECAUSE of Ukip stealing votes on a 'blue' manifesto they ditched soon after - the UK may not be so lucky in 2015, leading to a 5-year lame duck coalition parliament, just as the recovery is taking hold.

Running the country after a Great Recession isn't a game, and it's about time you halfwits bragging about a major electoral success, achieved on a lie that Ukip can bring the UK out of the EU, woke up to the consequencies of your scam.

I don't blame the Ukip voters, any more than I'd blame the victims of a crime.

Isitmebut

When you have to write your whole post in bold, you have effectly 'lost iy'. It's the chat forum equivalent of being a green ink user.

I'm glad that a 'few good men' from UKIP had the courage to stand up and stay 'Enough'.

The EU is one issue, domestic issues 95% of government is another.

Getting back to Boris and the French Revolution, 'a few good men' offered change from a so called elite, made those changes and a NEW elite followed - how did that work out for many of 'the people' in blood, sweat, and tears.

Key to standing on a 'patriotic' platform of domestic change is to know what CAN be changed with a £100 bil annual budget deficit and £1.4 trillion of national debt, and provide the details - as that is when Ukip can say they have earned their votes, rather than by campaigning on one GREAT EU lie and basking in the result.

And then people like me who are concerned about what happens in this country from 2015 (over and above the Westminster ambition of Farage and Ukip's financial backers), will both start showing Ukip some respect and maybe, just maybe, start taking them serious politically rather than now, seeing them for what they are.

P.S. I love green ink, especially when answering purple lies.

What an angry thread.

There is only so much Ukip gloating, on one thread, on so little substance, the peeps can take. IMHO.

UKIP are lying, deceitful arrogant incompetent scum.
Labour are all lying, deceitful arrogant incompetent scum.
Conservative are all lying, deceitful arrogant incompetent scum.
Won't bother to even mention the other slimebags.

Unfortunately we have to vote for politicians, because they take 1/3 (or whatever equivalent) of our wage before it even gets into the bank. And apparently do some things with that money too.

I also read about Boris calling voters Peasants !! Sums that lot up it really does. I completely understand the UKIP vote, people will cut their own nose off to spite their face to make a point, if that is the only way to do it.

Labour missed their chance to fill a gaping vacancy to the left which they abandoned long ago. They didn't take it because the way things are right now works just fine for them (the political class), very well indeed. Why budge?

People are crying out for a strong left party but there isn't one. They end up going mental and voting UKIP.

Would anyone here consider voting voting for an Independent candidate at the next general election? I don't mean an eccentric oddity type, I mean a strong local person with a presence and known integrity.

I personally would not vote for an independent because while that may sends a message by depriving one party of one seat, I want a political party or movement to make a change nationally and deprive parties of seats nationally. One independent is not enough for me.

This is in today's newspapers. Hopefully it is nonsense. It is by someone from what seems like one of these progressive think-tanks. But since the Conservatives, Labour and LibDems are all progressives, then maybe this is the future. It is by "a government adviser".

"Middle classes will disappear in next 30 years warns Government adviser

Property price rises will cause the middle classes to disappear within 30 years, leaving only a “wealthy elite and sprawling proletariat”, government adviser says"

...

Mr Boyle said that the traditional middle classes will need three or four jobs just to be able to pay soaring rents. People will no longer have the space or time to pursue cultural interested.

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The place where this is heading is a strange society with a tiny elite and a long struggling, straggling line which is the rest of us, a new proletariat, who will be in hock to Landlord PLC. "

www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festival/10860796/Middle-classes-will-disappear-in-next-30-years-warns-Government-adviser.html

If there is any truth in this, does anyone believe that any of our political class will do anything to protect the middle class?

The author goes on to say

"Mr Boyle said the rise in Ukip was fuelled by disaffection of the middle classes.

“You saw this huge revolt. I think what happens when you suppress the dreams of the middle classes is you get rather peculiar and very dangerous political movements beginning to emerge,” he said.

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“The middle classes have to wake up to prevent it happening and to create a political movement that will do it. I don’t think Ukip is it.

“You could say that it doesn’t matter and that a more classless society would be a good thing.

“I think if there is no place in the middle that anywhere can go to claw their way out of desperate hand to mouth existence, and the precariat, then that condemns us all to a precarious existence because there is no ladder.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festival/10860796/Middle-classes-will-disappear-in-next-30-years-warns-Government-adviser.html

A huge part of the UKIP vote is by middle class former Tory voters. We no longer have faith in the Tory party. They are progressives and we don't think Cameron is a Tory. As Lord Glasman, Labour's Blue Labour strategist said

"UKIP has benefited because people feel powerless.

The dispossession they feel is not an individual complaint, but a shared grievance.

I believe that this Government is incapable of responding. The Conservative party is nowhere near conservative enough. It is a liberal party that serves the interests of those who already have much."

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2638478/Labour-losing-England-In-hugely-significant-intervention-Labour-peer-Ed-Milibands-closest-mentor-issues-grim-verdict-partys-election-meltdown.html#ixzz338apGCBa

The middle classes know that something is wrong, as do the working classes. We all know that we are not represented, that this metropolitan elite no longer speaks for or cares about us. That is why people have joined "The People's Army". It is not about just one policy, it is a general feeling about everything and a knowledge that the spinners in power have lost touch with the people.

And while all of his is happening, while people are switching votes because something is wrong, what do we read in today's Mail about Miliband who is supposed to fix it all.

'I don't read much British news': Miliband rejects out of touch claims but admits he's more interested in US politics and baseball than what is happening in UK
Reveals he does not follow 'British news' - prefers US political websites

Says he relies on his aides to tell him what is going on in newspapers

Doesn't have news on in his office or get newspapers to his home"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2642733/I-dont-read-British-news-Miliband-rejects-touch-claims-admits-hes-interested-US-politics-baseball-happening-UK.html#ixzz338fZAI1H

I like Miliband. OK, he is an intellectual progressive, but I thought he might be able to fix something. I hope this is just Daily Mail spin, because I find it disappointing if he does not even read British newspapers to see what people are thinking and saying and feeling.

TBH, I am convinced that many people voted UKIP because they hate what the coalition have been doing and are disenchanted with Labour too.

I only wish they had voted for the Greens instead but then Farage seems, despite my dislike for him and his party, very charismatic. Most people don't understand much about politics, they vote for the candidate they like rather than his/her policy making prospects.

As for BNP being finally defeated... Wasn't their leader saying that his voters have now joined the UKIP crowd? Same people, different t-shirt.

Claig, the erosion of the middle classes is the primary symptom of working capitalism. It is precisely what Marx predicted and described in Das Capital.

The disaffected middle class have the most to lose, and the anger and knowledge necessary for effective 'revolution'

I belive the article makes a point well known to most economic hisorians. Tipping point is in full view.

Squidstirfry, I agree.

Sadly, I believe it is a deliberate policy wished for by our progressive class who are themselves merely puppets who are subservient to global capital. Our elite won't stop it, they won't protect the people because they are merely functionaries of global capitalism, which as Billy Bragg implied on Newsnight tonight is enforced as globalisation through the European Union.

As Bragg rightly said, UKIP is an expression of people against globalisation. But as Hitchens rightly said, both the Scottish move towards independence and the UKIP phenomenon are about self-determination and self-government. Ultimately, countries are subservient to the European Union, which is of course the tool of global capitalism to undermine national sovereignty and the nation state in order to bring about globalisation or the Marxist one world society, which is where capitlaism and Marxism combine.

UKIP is the resistance to globalisation and defence of the nation state via self-determination. UKIP is the "People's Revolt", the "Peasants' Revolt" against the wlites, the puppets and servants of global capitalism, who will do nothing to protect the people against the destruction of the middle class, because both communism and aristocracy want the destruction of the middle class and the creation of a proletariat subservient to an elite.

UKIP is the people in revolt against the elites. It is the rising of the middle class to protect themselves from their planned destruction.