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Oscar Pistorius Trial Part 8

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Roussette · 15/05/2014 09:14

here is Number 7.

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Nerf · 07/08/2014 09:37

Have to go out if anyone could link to a recorded feed I'd be really grateful x

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Roussette · 07/08/2014 09:37

Got it! I was on a different link.. thanks Smile

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Roussette · 07/08/2014 09:39

Is two to the right of Aimee, OP's father - tall slim chap?

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member · 07/08/2014 09:47

Hasn't shown that section of gallery since you posted - think you are talking about Uncle Arnold. OP's father not particularly slim - think he is near end of row 5/6 away from Aimee

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Roussette · 07/08/2014 09:55

Thanks Looking as I can read that when I can't watch.

This is quite powerful from Nel ...

Why would he lie about something like that? Lady, I think the defence quoted [a different] case to say the accused sometimes hide behind an untruthful version because they think it's better for them...
That's why the mendacity was so striking. The accused was tailoring the version and was more concerned with the implications of his answers than the truth.
The accused was more concerned with "defending my life" than entrusting the court with a truthful version.
The most devastating aspect of the defence evidence is his inability and failure to contest the veracity of the scene photographs

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Roussette · 07/08/2014 09:55

Thanks member Smile

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LookingThroughTheFog · 07/08/2014 10:05

Hm. Nel is coming back to the extension flex having no room for a second fan, but this is odd given that he couldn't find the extension.

LookingThroughTheFog · 07/08/2014 10:08

Also, he just refered to OP saying 'there was no reconstruction'. But the reconstruction wasn't raised in evidence. Nel doesn't actually state 'but there was one...' he just leaves it hanging.

Nerf · 07/08/2014 10:18

Can't see OP recovering from this. Has Nel mentioned the bath panel and door yet?

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Roussette · 07/08/2014 10:24

It all looks pretty damning doesn't it and Nel is very clever with words. Not sure on bathpanel/door as my listening has been interrupted.

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LookingThroughTheFog · 07/08/2014 10:28

Mine has too, but I can't see any reference on Twitter.

He is clever, but I still have a vague concern that Roux is simply going to turn around and say 'show me this extension that 'wouldn't fit!'.

Nerf · 07/08/2014 10:28

I'm not a Nel fan, but he is thorough. I like that he went back and checked about calling him a liar, but I wonder if deference means it as a more general implied rather than actual.
I feel very sorry for the pistorius family as well, the accident, the other case, this - it must be dreadful.

LookingThroughTheFog · 07/08/2014 10:32

I feel very sorry for the pistorius family as well, the accident, the other case, this - it must be dreadful.

I do too.

I hasten to add, this does not diminish my sympathy for the Steenkamp family. Just that I recognise it must be gruelling and hard.

Every now and again I wonder if they ever have doubts as to his innocence. I've been through that, and it's a hard, hard emotion to deal with.

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Roussette · 07/08/2014 10:35

Yes agree Looking, you back your son/brother all the way but surely to have to listen to Nel pulling it all to pieces must create the odd doubt here and there and then they have to get their minds firmly back on track with their support for their loved one...

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Roussette · 07/08/2014 10:36

M'Lady is not available at all next week so Nel and Roux have agreed they are aiming to wrap up by Friday

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LookingThroughTheFog · 07/08/2014 10:49

He's getting to the crux of my problem with his story; he needed to put all these details in to show that he had his back to the bed for the entire time, and that it had to be too dark to see.

These details bothered me - they seemed too unnatural.

I almost feel that I'd believe him more without these stories without the blue light being so bright suddenly on this one night that he could not possibly sleep with it showing. I know I'm probably not being fair there, but my mind rebels against it.

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Roussette · 07/08/2014 10:52

Yes.. it's almost that he has a lie to convince someone of but it can't stand on it's own so it needs all these other little details and as Nel says it's like a mosaic, take one little piece out and it all falls down as all these details need to stand up to cover the bigger lie.

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LookingThroughTheFog · 07/08/2014 10:55

Huh, Nel is making a good point here. Every single person who heard something on that night, woke their partner other one up to discuss it with them. The only ones who didn't were those who had no partners, or those where the partner was already awake and they discussed it.

When he heard something when he was with Taylor, he woke her up to discuss it.

This night, he says he told her something, but he didn't discuss - he didn't wait for a response. Was he loud? Was he whispering?

Either way, he didn't discuss it with her, and this is unusual behaviour.

He also pushes the point that he did not wait for a response.

The whisper/low tone was more important to OP than it was to Nel. OP says unprompted that it wasn't a whisper but a low tone. If he'd whispered, the indication is that Reeva must have been close enough to hear a whisper - but she also needed to be far enough away so he couldn't have seen her.

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Roussette · 07/08/2014 10:59

Yes and if I remember rightly OP when on the stand really laboured the 'low tone' and saying it wasn't a whisper which he had originally said

Also agree with Nel here... who after shooting their girlfriend (for whatever reason) would be in any fit state to think to put a mobile on a charger... it's just the timeline of when he did that that matters I s'pose...

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LookingThroughTheFog · 07/08/2014 11:03

The charger thing was interesting. Nel is pointing out that the phone was on a charger in the kitchen. It was in the kitchen when calls were made.

However - and I might be confused here - but OP had that phone in the bathroom. It is next seen in the kitchen. He carried Reeva down the stairs and at that point, the girl from the estate manager house (Carisse?) saw him carrying her, and they tended to her there.

There was no time for him to have walked away and put the phone on the charger from then on.

We know he used the Kitchen Phone in the bathroom - that's logged. When did it get onto the charger? Not after carrying Reeva, as Carisse was there from then. So he must have come downstairs after making the bathroom call just to put the phone on the charger, then gone back up to get Reeva.

I can't tell whether he's implying that that action of walking away from her is relevant, or whether he's just pointing out that OP was caught in a lie. Again, he sort of leaves it dangling for her to put the pieces together.

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Roussette · 07/08/2014 11:05

Yes, because no one will ever know but I think Nel is pointing out the strangeness of it... and I can't remember when OP said when he was testifying when he put it on the charger.

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LookingThroughTheFog · 07/08/2014 11:06

This from Twitter

Barry Bateman
#OscarTrial Nel: in the event that the court accepts his version, he cannot escape the fact that he acted dolus eventualis. BB

LookingThroughTheFog · 07/08/2014 11:08

He's going through case law on the various sorts of Murder.

He fired with intention to kill.

member · 07/08/2014 11:14

Thanks ladies - the summary on enca isn't carrying detail about the charger thing.