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Oscar Pistorius Trial Part 6

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Roussette · 03/05/2014 17:18

here is Part 5 but we are ready (nearly) for a new one.

OP posts:
SnowCoveredHills · 06/05/2014 15:00

I've been dipping in and out of these threads, lots of interesting discussion.

I can't understand OP's motivation for saying that to Kim Myers (if he did so). Unless he sees himself as so blameless that he's angry at her friends for not supporting him, and wonders how they can sleep at night because of that? Of course, Kim Myers may have done something to upset OP that we don't know about.

Whatever the motivation, it strikes me as incredibly arrogant do dare to whisper anything to anyone while in court in front of all those witnesses.

They had the sky news reporter on earlier showing where KM was sitting when he allegedly spoke to her. There was a row of reporter sitting behind her, but they didn't hear what he said. A police photographer saw him lean in to KM, and immediately approached her to ask what was said, which is when she reported it.

What an arse that man is.

StackALee · 06/05/2014 15:03

To break it down:

"If he cries he cries for himself" - yes, Mr Nel suggested this in his questioning on more than one occassion.

'If he doesn't cry he is cold hearted' I haven't seen this said here but maybe some people think that?

"If he shows extreme emotion it is acting." again - something Mr Nel picked up in in court.

"If he doens't say he loves Reeva in a text he doesn't care" I think this was part of the prosecution's view too.

"If he did say he loved her in a text he would be considered obsessive" Again - has someone said this? You are righ, that would be a very odd thing to suggest.

"If he was tired that night and they didn't have sex that is a clear sign he wasn't that in to her" - personally I have never subscribed to this view.

" If they had sex that night he would have raped her" Wow - has this been suggested - I'll do a search and see but certainly not since I have been posting!

"If he wasn't sending X rated text messages to her he is abnormal" Was this mentioned too? I don't remember - there's a lot I need to look back on in that case!

'If he had been sending her X rated text messages he would be a pervert.' Really? Are you reading the same thread as the rest of us?

"If he apologizes to the Steencamp family he is selfish, insulting and making a specticle" It was rather a crass thing to do given that they had declined any private contact with him.

"If he doesn't apologize he is arroganct and disrespectful." He tried, but should have respected teh family's wishes and certainly not then gone ahead and done it in court.

"If he tries to write them a letter he is taking the easy way out" I disagree with this, the amily however do have every right to refuse a letter.

"If he tires to call them he is not respecting their time to grieve" I think trying to call them would be an awful thing to do - don't you?. He killed their daughter and is on trial for murder.

"If he tried to apologize right after the incident he is trying to make himself look better" It would just be crass to do so, no?

"If he comes home from a long day and goes up stairs to clean up while Reeva is fixing dinner he is selfish and unappreciative" Maybe this has been mentioned by someone, I've not read it. Will have a search.

"If he didn't have a gift wrapped and waiting for Reeva on Feb 13 he is a disrespecful boyfriend." Not something i agree with - he already said they had agreed it was no big deal.

'If he bought her a bracelet earlier in the year from a designer she liked he is more than likely lying and even if he did is still disrespectful.' In his testimony, his own words, he doesn't make it at all clear what the intention was RE the bracelet.

' If he has a bad day or under a lot of pressure and snaps or lashes out at his girl friend he is controlling, abusive, possessive, hot tempered and capable of murder' It's clear from the messages they exchanged that she had some problems with his behaviour towards her on a couple of occassions.

'If his sister cries in court she is accused of over reacting and showing dispresct to the Steencamp family' Again - not aware this has been said by many people but I have missed a few threads at the beginning.

"If she tries to speak to Mrs Steencamp she is trying to look good in court and pretend to show she cares aboout what they are going through." he just shouldn't be trying to speak to the mother of the person he killed while in court, surely?

' If the Pistorius family shows emotion and that they are standing by Oscar and still love him regargless of what happened they are off balance and unsettled' - For me personally I can see why they would care about him and be upset. Sadly for them they must know that someone killing your daughter is a lot worse than what they are going through.

'The people that support his are lunatics and divorced from reality' Are we all saying this.

' It matters not that the man is a double amputee from below the knee. He was an accomplished track athelete so he therefore should be treated like any other person with complete use of both legs off the track.' In a murder trial, where he shot the deceased of course he should be treated with the same legal process. what alternative would you suggest?

'He is not entitled to a defense' - everyone is entitled to a defence.

'He doesn't know how to choose a guard dog' - clearly, given his dogs were crap guard dogs this could very well be true?

'He is not allowed to feel fear' - he can fear things. Shooting four rounds at that fear when it is locked into a small cubicle is a bit over the top, no?

'Everyone but him tells the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth' - are you really following the same threads as me?

'He is expected to remember every single moment that happened that night' - He is just expected to be consistent.

'He lies every time he opens his mouth' Sometimes when he opens his mouth he lies.

'If he wears a black suit in court he is trying to show he is mourning' - that makes sense to me.

'If his friends or neighbours testify on his behalf they are lying, scripted, acting and generally misunderstood about what they saw and heard' - today's testimony shows very little important info. Some of it has been very scripted.

'If Aimee Pistorius removed RS purse from the house she is surely capable of stealing a watch, rummaging through the purse and possibly stealing a diary (really), or removing some incredible piece of evidence that would surely incriminate her brother.' She did a really stupid thing. No wonder her actions are open to scrutiny. However many other people here have said they would have done the same.

'It would be out of the question to think she may have wanted to prevent it from being ravaged by the "trusting police force".' - that's your opinion and like all opinion you are entitled to it.

RoadKillBunny · 06/05/2014 15:04

Oh my upnorthen I am no sure there is a reply to that rant.
Some of your points are valid, nobody involved can do right for doing wrong. I have stayed away from analysing behaviour in court for this reason, I am not the only one. Those that have commented have been a mix and discussion has been on the whole balanced and people accepting of the pit falls of behaviour analysis by internet.

A large portion of your post is just plain projecting your feelings onto others, you feel many people have gone into the trial will pre decided ideas of guilt so you want to create evidence that doesn't exist to back up your feelings, there have been some posts by people set on the idea he is guilty of murder but they are the minority.

Points made about the removal of the handbag weren't suggesting that evidence had been tamped with but making the point that it hypothetically could have been, people were shocked that the people taking the bag thought this a good idea and expressing disappointment that the bag had been allowed to leave the scene.

You criticise others for having a fixed idea on outcomes yet you demonstrate the same yourself only you dismiss evidence that doesn't fit your outlook.
The very vast majority of posters are actually on the fence, ideas shifting from day to day as move evidence is presented.
You are allowing your feelings about a young mans promising life crashing down around him to cloud you sight, a young woman with a promising life ahead of her has lost her life. What ever happens at the end of this OPs family can embrace him, love him, support him and help him move forwards. Reeva's family have nothing.
It's not a game of top trumps empathy. You can mourn both the losses of OP and the loss of Reeva.
I would recommend you read the posts properly rather then picking out words without context and ranting at people.

AnyaKnowIt · 06/05/2014 15:10

There are suggestions that 'how do you sleep at night' is a refence to aninterview myers gave after reeva died saying that she ccouldn't sleep at night.

LookingThroughTheFog · 06/05/2014 15:13

I have to wonder why most of you continue following the trial.

I'm following the trial because I'm curious as to what further evidence there is/will be, because I'm intrigued by the process, and because it is, on an entirely academic level, an interesting thing.

I would also like to see justice for Reeva. I would like for the court to get as close to the truth, whatever that might be, for her sake.

Yesterday, I thought intruder. Today, I think murder. Mostly I'm still on the fence.

I'm following the thread because I like to be challenged and I may mishear/ misinterpret what's said, or may be able to challenge another view.

Does that help settle your mind at all?

There have been a few, a very few given the number of threads, posts that have made me raise an eyebrow and take a step back from biting. Sometimes I haven't managed that. The vast majority have been people discussing the evidence of the day in court in whatever manner they choose.

AnyaKnowIt · 06/05/2014 15:21

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/06/oscar-pistorius-denies-trying-intimidate-reeva-steenkamp-friend

Police warrant officer Barend van Staden confirmed that he had heard Pistorius say: "How can you sleep at night?" and reported it to the chief prosecutor, Gerrie Nel.

RonaldMcDonald · 06/05/2014 15:21

upnorth

probably or probably not

BumPotato · 06/05/2014 15:26

Sorry, haven't RTFT, are sky no longer covering the trial live?

OneStepCloser · 06/05/2014 15:28

Agh, ^^ meant I think he's guilty of murder but not necessarily Reevas, I can't see there's enough evidence to that.

member · 06/05/2014 15:53

Opinions are like arseholes ; everyone has one. I hope you feel better after expressing yours Upnorth.

The National Prosecuting Authority have apparently said they can do nothing about the alleged remarks OP made to Myers according to Barry Bateman.

member · 06/05/2014 15:58

BumPotato, they are but court adjourned before lunch until Thursday morning.

OneStepCloser · 06/05/2014 15:59

Bum no! but you can stream live from the internet.

AnyaKnowIt · 06/05/2014 16:00

Its shown on channel 517 bum

member · 06/05/2014 16:04

I meant the Sky webpage had a live link when court was in session.

OneStepCloser · 06/05/2014 16:11

Have no idea why there was an ! there, was meant to be a comma, iPad strikes again Grin

Chipstick10 · 06/05/2014 16:15

If Op was seen leaning in to Kim Myers then it's quite possible he said it. I was having difficulty believing he leaned over to her at all but someone up thread says a photographer said he did.

SpeedwellBlue · 06/05/2014 16:21

Yes and Police warrant officer Barend van Staden confirmed that he had heard Pistorius say: "How can you sleep at night?" and reported it to the chief prosecutor, Gerrie Nel.

OneStepCloser · 06/05/2014 16:29

Wow, what a stupid thing to do, shame it wasn't caught on camera. Things like this make you think you don't know what to think!

What would he mean by that? That he's being persecuted?

AnyaKnowIt · 06/05/2014 16:30

Asked why the athlete might have approached his client, Levitt suggested Pistorius may have been upset by interviews the Myers had previously given to the media in which they expressed concern about the intensity of his relationship with Steenkamp. "Reeva was living with the Myers and they did make statements – he might be upset because of what they said, might have the slanted view that they're against him."

From the guardian

AnyaKnowIt · 06/05/2014 16:32

Myers said herself in that interview that she found it difficult to sleep at night.

LookingThroughTheFog · 06/05/2014 16:44

Well that's all grim.

LouiseBrooks · 06/05/2014 16:48

If he did say it, why not just lie and say "she misheard me, I asked if she was sleeping okay at night now" and put a positive spin on it instead of further lying (because that's what I'd do).

Just weird.

Roussette · 06/05/2014 16:53

I have read some very nasty posts flung among the posters on this thread that are far scarier than the exchanges between RS and OP but that seems to be perfectly acceptable.

As for this I have read some very nasty posts flung among the posters on this thread that are far scarier than the exchanges between RS and OP but that seems to be perfectly acceptable I have to disagree with the point you are making. Yes, we might have discussed this case more vehemently but you cannot liken it to the texts between RS and OP before he killed her. And yes, he did kill her whatever the motive or reason. My heart goes out to RS's family but my heart doesn't go out to him sorry. Perhaps he should have triggered an alarm and not shot four bullets through a locked door when he was so scared of that intruder and then Reeva's family won't mourn the loss of her every day for the rest of their lives.

OP posts:
Roussette · 06/05/2014 16:55

Ooops, half my post got chopped off! That was to upnorth - I just wonder what threads you have been on - apart from a wobble during recess everyone has been very respectful of each others opinions and nowhere has it been so vitriolic and nasty as you say.

OP posts:
HowAboutNo · 06/05/2014 16:55

Ugh, unfortunately OP is an arrogant prick. Doesn't make him guilty, but does just make him look like an absolute arsehole.