Oscar Pistorius Trial Part 6

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here is Part 5 but we are ready (nearly) for a new one.

The cynical side of me thinks this is the media's dream, and it all plays very nicely into what people are thinking, if he wasn't misheard, and wasn't misconstrued or misinterpreted.

The cynical side of me also thinks that maybe he feels he won't be going anywhere for a (very long) time so what the hell, he had nothing further to lose by saying it. But erm, prized plum award for being a prized plum if that is the case.

However, nothing like a sideshow to detract from the court case. Whatever he said, whatever KM says he said. Sensibly, kick it out and concentrate on the trial. Remember the Steenkamps. It's about them.

It wasn't just myers saying that op said it. There were witnesses.

Stupid thing to say if he did and I doubt Myers can sleep at night. She's lost her friend in the most brutal way imaginable.

I seem to remember reading somewhere about him shaking his head as he passed Gina Myers in court. Anyone else remember that?

I mean a while ago not today.

No I don't hillwalker

Here it is.

www.citypress.co.za/columnists/angel-devil/

I wonder what, if any, reference will be made to it on Thursday.

When I first heard about this alleged whisper to Ms Myers I dismissed it as court room journalist gossip, speculation hype. There have been so many little rumours and digs around OPs interactions (and lack there of) with the Steenkamp family and Reeva's friends since day one.
Kind of horrified to find that this seems to be a little more then that and I can't quite bend my mind around the idea of it. I have decided that it isn't part of the case and I am not going to spend too long turning it over in my mind wondering if he did it (seems he did something, witnesses appear to be credible), if he did was it miss heard, was the tone misconstrued or is Ms Myers correct in her understanding. The question of why would he deny it when there are witnesses isn't really puzzling when taken in the context of the whole case, he appears to be somebody who is very used to getting his own way and has in the past been able to charm his way out of anything. However the whole thing bothers me. It just seems too TV drama for me, too convenient. Something about it just doesn't sit right with me and as a result I am wondering if he in fact didn't say anything to Ms Myers.
I am not going to give it any more thought then that though unless more information comes to light, it won't effect the outcomes and as Ms Myers didn't give evidence I don't think that legally, if he did say it, he has done anything wrong so I am just going to concentrate on the evidence and testimony presented to the court.

Up north, I sort of see where you are coming from: if you've only read this thread there are a lot of posts from a minority of posters who clearly think OP is guilty and an arse to boot, so if it's this thread you are going on, fair play.
I feel that him saying that , well, what has he got to lose? If he feels they are getting their five minutes fame on the back of things, or saying inaccurate stuff, or whatever, he took his opportunity. Not like they'll be prison visiting so he won't get another chance.

Something about it just doesn't sit right with me me too, RoadKill .
OP has been so careful with all his statements in court that I'm struggling to believe he would speak to Ms Myers without considering how it would impact on him. That would lead me to think that he was either misheard or, if he was heard correctly then he deliberately wanted to prompt a discussion about why Ms Myers would have trouble sleeping? But that seems a bit too far fetched.
Also, as you say, it does not impact on the details of the case.

I understand what you're saying upnorth (once my eyes had adjusted to the sea of words :)). In a nutshell, he can't win. Yesterday one or two people were saying he shouldn't cover his ears and should take it like a man. But if he didn't cover his ears and was sick, people would probably complain about that too.

But, I think the majority of posters here are open to a number of different points of view. I for one am still struggling to find anything to make me feel he definitely knew it was Reeva (and actually I really am trying to), but I've been open about that from the start. And apart from the odd attempts to chuck a bun at me by one poster who pops up every now and again, I have felt quite comfortable to post here.

Roadkill, Nerf, book - totally agree re the comments that were made (or not made). Not relevant to the trial but I can't actually believe he would say that anyway or mean it in the way it's been interpreted.

Thanks to whoever cleared up the gun first versus bat first debate (I know how much everyone loves that one). The expert beginning with V was the one I was thinking about. I can't quite get my head round a shot, then three bat noises though, then another mix of shot then bat 15 minutes (or whatever later).

jill - glad you've come back, hadn't seen your post, however, nothing like a sideshow to detract from the court case. Whatever he said, whatever KM says he said. Sensibly, kick it out and concentrate on the trial. Remember the Steenkamps. It's about them. Totally agree

Agree with Nerf about why he might have said that to KimMyers.

She's not been called as a witness, so I'm not sure what would be intimidating about it.

The first interviews the Myers girls gave said they thought OP was a nice guy.

I also read the link someone posted. It seems it was Van Staden he gave the evils to and in his position I would have probably done the same.

UpNorth. Please don't think everyone has made their minds up. True, there are a couple of posters, one in particular is very prolific and free and easy with their assertions, but in the main, most of us are prepared to listen to and discuss the real evidence being presented and I am another one who's arse is full of splinters.

I didn't understand what you meant about a Blog though

Apart from the fact op has denied saying anything

Having skimmed all day, I've just read your post properly UpNorth. I think that a lot of what you say is very true outside this forum. On here, however I do think most people are prepared to take the evidence as it comes, although a small minority seem to see the worst in every action of OP and his family. (Equally I've been told I put a positive spin on everything, so I guess it depends on which side of the fence we sit.)

Despite recent hiccups, I still think that - on the whole - this place has definitely had a much more rational discussion of the case than anywhere else I've looked.

I actually think it's good that people have differing opinions otherwise there wouldn't be much to talk about, on this thread here on MN the majority of people are respectful to that and it has become a positive place to talk things over. I've found that by listening to people with other views means you can learn a lot, and maybe see things in a different light.

I agree Louise and One Step. I need to keep more of an open mind because I know I am too much assuming OP's guilt.

Oh no Rousette don't get me wrong, I think he's guilty as hell but I like seeing other peoples viewpoints

Seriously, I'm still on the fence as to whether he killed Reeva deliberately, although I do believe he shot to kill through the bathroom, but I'll admit before the trial I thought he had killed her on purpose, so reading this thread and obviously the trial. has indeed made me re-think it somewhat.

Yes OneStep, I get that . It's good to get others' viewpoints because it's soooo easy to just assume so these threads have opened my mind more which is a good thing!

I don't know what I think actually. I read other peoples theories by accident (newspaper, twitter , here) and think wow! that's it, but them come back to actually I just don't think he knew it was her.
I think he has tried to spin stuff - how much he loved her maybe, but the reactions sound believable as described by the standers. The defence witnesses didn't really agree his story word perfectly but enough for me not to believe in an argument.
The others were so far away I can't think they are accurate. She died pretty much instantly so he must be lying because of the arterial spray, he wouldn't have had time to do everything he says - maybe he believed she was alive/hoped she was still alive.
I don't understand why the spray was in the bedroom or the stairs if she wasn't carried down immediately.

I'm convinced by the experts and the neighbours who had no reason to lie.
I am sure OP is was genuinely sorry.....for himself.

Help might have reached her sooner but for him!
I don't think she could have survived, but 3 people knew when this happened and did not get an ambulance. What does that say about them?
Both Dr Stipp and the Mr Baba called an ambulance as soon as they found out what had happened, why didn't they?

A young woman was killed in the most brutal circumstances and I trust these people will get justice for her.

Nerf I don't know what to think either. I still see no real evidence that he knew it was her in the loo. I think, like you, that there might be a bit of exaggeration about their relationship but why introduce her as his fiancee if he wasn't serious about her? There is no reason at all to suspect the neighbour is lying and OP let her stay at his house while he was away, I wouldn't do that with a bloke I'd been seeing for just a couple of months!

I have to say I find it really bizarre that neighbours living around 10-20 metres away heard almost nothing and yet people living nearly 200 metres away seem to have heard everything.

Curiouser and curiouser, said Louise.

I think he knew it was reeva

I don't think anyone (except maybe OP and frank) are lying, I think they aren't accurate. Based on my own experiences, I don't know how they can be sure from such a distance at at that time, just waking.
I don't know what to think about the carrying her around when dead. If she could only take two or three breaths before dying and was dead when dr stipp saw her, how did the blood get into the walls? Unless she died somewhere else but none of it makes sense. Then you think did he move her to disturb the crime scene?

Then I come back to his consistency, believability etc.