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I can't link to the Sky news interview with Nigel Farage but it was terrible

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limitedperiodonly · 22/04/2014 15:19

It was Kay Burley. About 3pm today. She made his case for him just now and I don't even think she meant it. In fact I think she's sure she made a good job of portraying him as a mad racist while talking to him about UKIP's poster suggesting migrant workers were stealing British jobs.

He seemed quite reasonable in the face of Burley. He didn't emerge as racist - protectionist at best - xenophobic at worst. He didn't even grab anyone round the throat or ask them if they'd have given it up a bit more their husband wouldn't have been tempted to murder prostitutes.

Then she went on about a pretty young woman they're featuring as a candidate who is from her appearance, clearly of Anglo-Asian background and demanding why UKIP didn't declare her background. Burley was the one who mentioned pretty. Not me or Farage.

Farage asked why they should and to be fair I had to agree. And also, she's a pretty woman who's used a flattering picture on her literature. Wouldn't you? If you want to know more about her views then read her literature and ask her questions, rather than the party.

Oh criminy. I had to admit that Nigel seemed reasonable. They're heading for a major result in the European elections. In my mad moments I toy with voting UKIP just because I've always lived in Tory constituencies and want to crush them now more than ever.

It could happen here. I won't do it, but the temptation is fucking strong.

I'd think it was a right-wing plot if I didn't know Burley of old and realise it was incompetence.

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ttosca · 26/04/2014 19:08

So maybe the problem isn't that the establishment media report the ignorance, bigotry and idiocy of UKIP candidates, but the UKIP candidates themselves who are ignorant, bigoted and idiotic.

WetAugust · 26/04/2014 19:33

Or maybe the objective is to keep everyones minds focused away from the EU and to concentrate on allegations of racism.

I wouldn't care if all the UKIP MEPs never set foot in the European Parliament. It's a toothless forum. (although I do enjoy the videos where Farage is getting Martin and Barrasso very angry while von Rompuy sits there stony-faced). Priceless.

Just claim the MEP expenses and use them to fund UKIP to get us out of the EU. That's all I want.

caruthers · 26/04/2014 19:39

We must always chant...

There are NO racists in either the Tory or Labour parties.

But it's perfectly OK to smear an entire party because of a few candidates political views.

I wonder what the authorities said about Ghandi when he had his sit ins and political candlelight suppers?

eyebrowsstillfurrowed · 26/04/2014 19:48

I think it's people who have no confidence in themselves who vote for parties like this. They see themselves as downtrodden so think they can never get all the greedy things they want and think people will steal whatever they do have.

It's pathetic.

You get what you give. Successful people are successful because they have educated themselves and they are kind.

Your solution seems to be 'stamp out the opposition and we can get to the top.' You are deluded. And above all your beliefs are cruel.

And stop usurping the socialist concept of the elites. It's not new...

What we all do have in common is that we hate the system. It does not speak for 'we the people.' UKIP however is a suicidal way to go. Do you really think they will represent you when they've used you for their vote? They already claim to represent hardly anyone. Good luck...

caruthers · 26/04/2014 19:56

You get what you give. Successful people are successful because they have educated themselves and they are kind.

There really isn't an answer for that at all is there?

If you honestly believe that then i'm shocked.

Could you generalise a little more to clarify your entitled slanted opinion?

WetAugust · 26/04/2014 20:04

I think it's people who have no confidence in themselves who vote for parties like this. They see themselves as downtrodden

Dear oh dear! People who vote for parties like this are free-thinking individuals. It's Cleggy and his ilk that have no confidence and see themselves as downtrodden without their perceived prop of the EU.

That's what is pathetic.

caruthers · 26/04/2014 20:06

eyebrowsstillfurrowed likes the uneducated not kind people to remember their places by the looks of things.

WetAugust · 26/04/2014 20:22

Must be a Labour voter Confused

claig · 26/04/2014 20:25

I think it's people who have no confidence in themselves who vote for parties like this. They see themselves as downtrodden so think they can never get all the greedy things they want and think people will steal whatever they do have.

No, they are people who think outside the box and go against the spin of the media and the elites. They don't feel downtrodden because they are against the status quo, they want change and something positive. They are postive and pro-active because they have a vision for a freer, more independent society based on sovereignty and self-determination. In a way, they are similar to the Scottish people who are voting for Scottish independence.

They are not greedy, they just want to stop the elites abusing expenses and taxpayer subsidies paid for out of the pockets of the poor. they are against injustice and elitism and for common sense and ordinary people. They are for democracy and self-determination and against unelected, unaccounatable bureaucrats making decisions on their behalf without asking their opinions.

You get what you give. Successful people are successful because they have educated themselves and they are kind.

Ordinary people are giving lots in taxes and they get hospitals where people die of dehydration on wards, where old people are badly treated in care homes and where fat cats and bureaucrats are protected against whistleblowing to expose the true state of what is going on. Successful people stand up against mismanagement of public services paid for by the public and it is not kind to allow this to continue while fat cats earn six figure salaries with large expenses and pensions paid for by the hardworking public.

Your solution seems to be 'stamp out the opposition and we can get to the top.

Not at all. The solution is democracy and a referendum and asking the public what they want. No spin, no smears, no calling the opposition "racist", just democracy.

And above all your beliefs are cruel

Not at all. Self-determination and sovereignty is what democratic representation is all about and it prevents rule by an unelected, unaccountable elite. Democracy is not cruel, it is the best way of meeting the people's wishes.

And stop usurping the socialist concept of the elites. It's not new

It is not new, it is as old as the hills. It is the same old, same old and now everybody understands that it is about populism vs elitism, about democratic control by the people against unaccounatble power and elitism is now mentioned in every newspaper and people now openly discuss the elite because it is now so obvious that it can no longer be hidden. People now understand that it is not about left vs right, it is about the people vs the elite, because the left contains just as many privileged elite public shool Oxbridge PPE millionaires and think tankers as the right.

Here is what Suzanne moore said in the Guardian

Nor is everything easily divisible into right and left. Right now it is "ordinary people" versus the "trendy metropolitan elite" (people who live in London and enjoy a wide range of dining opportunities

UKIP however is a suicidal way to go. Do you really think they will represent you when they've used you for their vote? They already claim to represent hardly anyone

That is your opinion, but the majority disagree with you which is why UKIP is riding high in the polls. People have decided that UKIP represents them better than the establishment parties. If UKIP do not do a good job, then the people will vote them out, that is what democracy is all about.

But one thing is for sure - the cat is now out of the bag, the genie is out of the bottle - the public knows that it is not about a phoney choice between left and right, it is about the people vs the elites who have let them down and sold them out to an EU superstate that has diminished the democratic oversight of the people over the unaccountable fat cats, bankers and elites.

claig · 26/04/2014 20:34

The reason that UKIP is on the rise is because the public has sussed that this phoney left-right system of Labour-Tory will not change anything because they are "all in it together". That is why the public has chosen a populist party since it is the only party that offers real change.

xpatmama · 26/04/2014 23:38

Wetaugust the parliament is not toothless - you are repeating a myth that I spent a long time on earlier in the thread.

It has co decision on most issues. That meAns it changes legislation that ends up affecting you and the uk.

Therefore your useless UKIP MEPs are f**king the UK they supposedly love because they are ensuring British influence on really important legislation is minimal.

Meanwhile don't imagine that If the UK ever left the eu it would stop complying with most of these laws because it would have to to trade with the EU.

Therefore UKIP voters are basically significantly damaging the UK. For no net gain.

Congratulations.

And still no answer to mep earl of Dartmouth and his lovely elite dinners.

xpatmama · 26/04/2014 23:49

Ps wetaugust technically speaking using you EP money to campaign on national campaigns illegal. You are surely not advocating fiddling expenses are you?? :-) we know how much people love their politicians doing that.

WetAugust · 27/04/2014 00:47

Xpatmama - it is toothless.

Any Parliament that cannot actually initiate legislation is useless.

As you admit in your explanation - it can only change and amend.

That's not good enough.

Looks like the pro-EU and Tory supporters are getting quite rattled.

You know that this could all be ended tomorrow - if Cameron held an immediate referendum on whether we stay in or leave. There is no need to wait for the end of his so-called 'renegoiations' as he will gain nothing, except having kicked the can down the road for a few more years.

As for voters like me damaging the country - that's hilarious when you look at how the major parties have fucked the place up.

No - not advocating fiddling expenses, there's already enough of that going on within the Con/Lab?lib parties. When has the EU ever been bothered about correct accountancy practices anyway as it has never managed to get its own accounts signed off. The whole EU is totally bent.

No I hope Nigel takes every penny he is due and I hope the Earl of Dartmouth enjoys his dinners. Anything that moves us closer to an EU exit is fine by me.

I'll send Nigel your love when I see him this week.

Nighty-night.

eyebrowsstillfurrowed · 27/04/2014 09:02

Ok claig I hear you. The way you talk is similar to Russel Brand! That's not meant offensively. It's just uncanny watch his interview with Paxo if you haven't... but the thing i want to know is are you happy with all their policies? same question to you wet. Your main gripe is the EU but do you believe in everything else they want?

claig · 27/04/2014 09:22

I don't like Russell Brand. I believe he may be the establishment's final roll of the dice, when all else fails, they may ask him to make jokes about UKIP, just as he is against the Daily Mail. But, Brand, is right in that there is a huge disaffection with the political class who are totally "out of touch" with ordinary people.

The establishment may try to "love bomb" us soon in a desperate attempt to "save the cronies". They may use pop stars to write notes saying "People, stay with us, support the cronies, please don't vote UKIP". But nothing the establishment will do will work, because people have had enough of spin.

"are you happy with all their policies?"

No, I am not happy with all of their policies. But I am happier wih their most important policies than I am with the policies and spinners of the establishment parties.

As a voter, you can't have everything. No party will agree with all your views. You have to pick a party that agrees with your main views.

UKIP is a start, a step in the right direction to "cause an earthquake" and remove the spinners from the political class and put people first. I am sure that I will oppose UKIP on many things in the future, but that is for the future. For now, they represent the only hope of change and an end to spinners, liars and a political class that is "out of touch" with ordinary people and their aspirations.

eyebrowsstillfurrowed · 27/04/2014 10:15

I can't believe we are talking about the same party. I like your ideas and beliefs. But I had a UKIP flyer the other week and it nearly made me sick. I can't remember the details but end immigration and stop foreign aid featured and both made my heart sink when I read them. I think the divide with how you come across and what they are for is massive!

caruthers · 27/04/2014 10:29

UKIP do not want to end immigration.

eyebrowsstillfurrowed · 27/04/2014 10:34

well put tight controls on it then so it's only the top people that are welcome. Talk about elitism?>?

caruthers · 27/04/2014 10:36

No they don't.

Have you read the Tory immigration policy?

UKIP want a broader range of nationalities through our borders.

You're talking rubbish.

claig · 27/04/2014 10:38

I haven't seen the leaflet, they haven't posted one here. What did it say?

UKIP do not want to end immigration. They want controlled immigration.
They do want to cut foreign aid. To what extent, I don't know. But this is what the Daily Mail and many conservative voters want to. They believe that much foreign aid is wasted and ends up in the pockets of dictators and regimes or goes to Colombian farmers to mitigate against the flatulence of cows which according to the spinners "harms the planet".

We have people dying of dehydration and shortage of cancer drugs in our hospitals. We have people queueing up at foodbanks. We have had people's homes and businesses destroyed by flooding because lavishly funded luvvies did not spend £4m dredging rivers and yet we use taxpayer money to spend £4m on the Ethiopian Spice Girls.

We have ex-politicians and bigwigs running "charities" and swanning around the planet without a care for their "carbon footprint", doling out our taxpayer money for windfarms in Turkey out of our ring-fenced foreign aid budget paid for by hardworking taxpayers. It is time they started caring about the people on our hospital wards ahead of the Ethiopian Spice girls and the flatulence of Colombian cows and stopped handing out taxpayer money to countries that have more billionaires than us and have nuclear weapon programmmes and space programmes.

claig · 27/04/2014 10:45

We have had some people committing suicide because their disability benefit has been cut to "save money" and yet our foreign aid budget has been "ring-fenced" and we have had numerous newspaper articles on how a lot of that precious money has been "wasted".

Let's have a referendum on it. Let the ordinary people decide, not the luvvies and the elites. Let's have some accountability and democratic representation.

eyebrowsstillfurrowed · 27/04/2014 10:54

What are their ideas on benefits?

caruthers · 27/04/2014 10:55

Claig the luvvies and elite need to keep the charity circuit alive because of the photo shoots and parties are good for their own personal networking.

Giving away other peoples money makes them famous.

I's absurd how some rich toff gets to decide what happens to a publicly owned pot of money instead of those at ground zero.

caruthers · 27/04/2014 10:58

The Tories also think that the country is full and they mention that they need to look after and admit only 'Hard working' people.

If you want to read the manifesto eyebrowsstillfurrowed (You obviously haven't as yet) then I suggest start at their immigration policy and work down.

eyebrowsstillfurrowed · 27/04/2014 11:03

you can tell me as you obviously enjoy talking down to me so much... What are their ideas on benefits?