Oscar Pistorius trial part 2

[JillJ72]

To continue from previous thread

I think his security arrangements made no sense to me.
In SA we drive into the garage and the door comes down on the garage immediately.
We enter the house via the garage.
We have window bars and a set of internal lockable gates within the house. All our bedroom doors are locked. We have alarms and panic buttons straight through to armed response security.
We use them
Outside we have a staffie and a boerboel that are free

We have never lived on such a secure estate though so mebbe it is different.

Springing that's how I see it too.

Ok, this is really bothering me, the window.

OP says he heard intruders, window was open, so the intruders came through the window.

Why, and I cant find a plausible reason, did Reeva open that window.

We know it was hot and stuffy in the bedroom, they had balcony doors open and fans on, so the windows itself would not be enough to circulate air around the room, the fans were needed as well.

The window is in the bathroom, which is down and around the corner of the corridor, so opening that window would have absolutely no effect whatsoever on the bedroom. She was in the toilet with the door shut, so again the open window would have no effect on there.

You could say the would have stood in front of the window, why? she got out of bed whilst OP was turning off the fans, bringing them in etc... so she had not come out of a stuffy room? So she couldnt have been lying there getting so hot she needed to go into the bathroom to get air. It just doesnt make sense, unless the window was already open and she had not opened it maybe?

In regards to evidence of arguments we have previous girl friend testimony of him screaming at her.

There is no way Pistorius would admit to this.
No way and in no circumstances. Nel knows that.

He cannot admit to the things that he clearly did, has witnesses that he did and has admitted in message.
Still he won't admit them or accept guilt.

The only person who witnessed this is dead.
His 'I don't remember' over and over will work, I think.

At the heart of this no one wants to believe he murdered her.
No one. It's far far too awful and he was such an inspiration.
That will go a huge way toward his walking free.

You know this hot and stuffy in the bedroom thing...

As the night goes on it gets cooler and the door was open and fans on....

How was it hotter and stuffier so that it woke him?
Surely the opposite?

Reading back over the testimony of the woman who heard a woman screaming, she told this to the police when they came to her at her house right at the beginning. I findit surprising people don't think that s what she heard.

Pistorius has a high pitched scream/shout

What time did he shoot her?

In that case it must have been OP screaming then.

I would like to hear this high pitched scream of his

After 3am, and I'm guessing just before his first phone call, iirc 3.17am

The other thing, OP asked Reeva to close the balcony doors when she went to sleep which she didnt, he then woke and started to bring the fans in, she woke and slipped out to go to the toilet. Dont you think she would say, sorry, I forgot to bring the fans in and shut the windows? odd that she just never mentioned anything, or he didnt.

He says she said "Can't you sleep, baba" when he woke up - she was already awake....

I thought that Michelle Berger's (sp?) testimony right at the beginning of the trial was solid. Roux could not dent it.

It's things like that, amongst others that make me wonder.

I do think the defence are going to come back with some pretty good evidence though (or what appears to be) so Nel has to put in the hard work now with OP

And what did she say? (sorry, I missed this!)

... an alternative suggestion. Maybe they did have words, but not heated. Maybe he did tell her off about the windows and fan, but he doesn't want to say that because it sounds bad. Maybe as he got out of bed, she got out but he didn't hear her, but they were fine, not arguing, and the rest plays out as he says.

We just don't know.

Why is Nel not asking all these questions that have been put on here! Or is that happening this week do you think?

He's probably reading MN to get some ideas.....?

I don't think that, but sometimes I hear or read things and think "Sounds like the discussion / qs on MN"

The witness heard a man and a woman screaming. I remember in the trial it was claimed that the screaming was Oscar and it was asked "Am I to believe he was screaming in 2 different voices?" Sorry can't remember the names of the people saying this, but the man and woman screaming I've always found convincing and the hardest thing to get past.

Interestingly, Nel is apparently an avid twitter lurker... And a few times this week I have heard him say things that were mentioned the day before on this thread! so who knows...

From that article in the NYer someone upthread (can't remember who sorry!) posted, I found the last line of this para very fitting:

“She wasn’t scared of an intruder. She was scared of you. She was scared of you,” Nel told Pistorius. “She was standing right in front of the toilet door, talking to you, when you shot her. That’s the only reasonable explanation why you shot her in the head.” Pistorius denied it. This is, for him, where it becomes a story about what his gun did.

Indeed.

I do wonder whether there would be a trial if behind that door there was a burglar. I'm just trying to get my head round how it works in SA (whilst puzzling on all of this). Would OP be in the courtroom for any charge? If he had heard a noise, if he had gone in all guns blazing and killed a burglar who actually at that time wasn't threatening him, would he be called to account at all?

I just think he isn't taking responsibility for any of his actions - it seems to be always someone else's fault - his legal team, his friends, the police and even Reeva herself for not letting him know she was in that bathroom as he says "I wish she had let me know she was in there." I just hate that statement. If everything he says is true it seems to me like he's passing the blame onto her in some way.

And when he said that he asked her to bring the fans in and close the door, but obviously didn't, I thought "well, that's her sealing her own fate there then isn't it"

Very sad. I am glad Reeva's name is mentioned often.

I don't think it's unreasonable to think "I wish she'd told me she was in there" but I don't think it comes across very well when said out loud. Maybe she was talking but he was so full of fear (or rage?) that he couldn't hear for that emotion.

Sorry, speculation doesn't help!