Missing Malaysia Air plane MH370 - Part 3

[KenAdams]

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TheresAHedgehogInMyPocket

"Haven't read all if the thread, about halfway through, but....

Re the landing gear, do you need it for take off as well? Cos if there is no landing gear and they want to use it again, perhaps they don't intend to LAND it again? sad

(I realise this may be a stupid question btw, but I know nothing about planes!)"

The only stupid question is the one you don't ask. Please don't feel you have to leave the thread. Provided you don't ask about mobile phones we'll all be just fine

India are dismissing the northern route as inconceivable apparently.

Full of pregnancy hormones and insomnia atm desperate for sleep but it's elusive! I'm searching for the queries now which I think were on the last thread.

Thank you for the great answer above. It did seem quite improbable. I do find with this whole situation I'm clutching at straws to see any way anyone might have survived.

so why and where would it head south... Australia sent spotter planes round Christmas island, didn't they?

It was me that asked the slipstream question so thanks for the answer Goldie

Oh livingzuid... my sympathies!!!

Here we go. It was quite a chat :)

'Perhaps someone can answer. The supposed flight levels of 43,000 feet, 29,000 feet and now maybe 5,000 feet. Are they flight levels that are good for evading commercial and military radar? Ideal even?'

'I'm just trying to make sense of these wildly varying altitude figures.

First they say the plane initially climbed to 40,000ft, or even 45,000ft. This is highly dangerous and it's extremely unlikely to be possible to get to 45000ft. But say it's possible to get up there and it causes hypoxia to all on board, save whoever is piloting who has a separate oxygen supply. The passengers would be dead within a short space of time.

Then the plane descends, erratically, to 5000ft, to fly low across the Malay peninsula. Eyewitness sightings of a low flying plane in the area of Kelantan seem to be gaining credence. Could whoever was piloting bail out at that altitude? How?

The plane then flies on on its preprogrammed route. No one left alive on board. So it doesn't matter when or where the plane comes down ( to the perpetrators.)

I'm quite aware that this will be considered a ridiculous theory. I'm just asking a lot of "what ifs", but it seems to be a completely audacious plan, that was doomed to failure but somehow, whoever has planed this has pulled it off. I suggest that some things that seemed highly unlikely or impossible a week ago have come to be and the easiest to believe, most palatable answers are slowly being ruled out.'

'the 5000ft thing is interesting. i know it's not very rational and most have discounted it but i still have this nagging thing about dropping cargo or valued people and exiting the plane at agreed coordinates by blasting through the fuselage with a shoe bomb for example. do we know 'where' the plane was when it went to 40k feet and then down again or where it was that they think it dropped to 5k?'

'Also, the terrain hugging. What is the significance of flying at 5,000ft? Apart from to avoid radar I mean. Would the cabin be depressurised at that altitude? Is it possible that people could offload from the plane?'

I just have an awful feeling that there's a strong possibility that the plane is never found. Will be one of those mysteries people talk of in 20 years time.

chaffinch soon for you too!

Ohh Living. That's a lot of stuff I posted.

Feeling a bit silly reading it back now but most of it came from posts on PPrune.

You can definitely parachute jump from 5000ft. You'd normally do it higher than this but its doable. How easy it is from a 777 I have no idea. Don't know how possible it is to open a door while flying, etc. I thought I read on previous thread that it isn't.

OK, let me try to tackle some of the points.

I don't think a -200ER could get to 45000ft but if it did, it wouldn't knock everyone out. The cabin would try to maintain an 8000ft altitude. It wouldn't be able to but it would only go up to say 9000ft, maybe 10000 (I don't know how effective the 777 pressurisation system is) but it's easily survivable and unlikely to make you that hypoxic. It wouldn't suddenly jump to 45000ft.

Now, could you get down to 5000ft, open the doors and jump out (with a parachute)?

Yes.

It's been done - in the Philippines, I think - where a robber did that (only minus the parachute I seem to remember - so, erm... splat). 5000ft is well below the cabin pressure altitude so the valves on the pressurisation system would 'dump' to equalise pressure automatically and the doors would be quite easily openable manually.

Why you'd want to I don't know, but you could.

Oh chaffinch sorry was too busy thinking about not being sick and tired hehe. Possibly to avoid a crash into a civilian area? Did we mnetters discount the possibility of whoever took control of the plane being overpowered and then in a true moment of heroism putting the plane in the sea?

And ty goldie, it will be worth it in the end just a bit blergh getting there. There is soooo much people don't tell you about pregnancy isn't there!

Has anyone seen the conspiracy sites claiming it is all a big hoax... Showing extreme close ups of the families saying 'look closely, not one tear'

Trolls are bloody everywhere :(

And... I already have seen a 'joke' picture on facebook, completely fucking disgraceful.?

downton nothing seems impossible with what's going on, they are all good questions :)

And thanks once again goldie that makes sense.

Goldie
Is there official protocol if a hijacking happens?
Ditch into the sea near land?
Secret password with ATC etc?

okay theres no way I can go through all threads and posts so soz if someones already said this but....

I just cant believe in this day and age of technology that nothing by satellite/sea/air/tracking/radar can pick up where it is. its like the Bermuda triangle thing isn't it?

or why cant they send submarines along the suspected routes to see if a sub can pick it up if its gone into the sea?

I just can't see it was a terrorist incident, as surely the security services would be issuing warnings? There doesn't seem to be any indication that it was terrorism, other than the strangeness of the incident.

I worry that it was an argument, say between the pilots, one killed the other and disabled the comms in some mad thought of escaping, then the passengers overpowered and killed him. And then they couldn't contact anyone, while the plane just flew on. That couldn't happen, could it? The passengers would have been able to get help in that scenario? I know their phones wouldn't have worked. (I'm not suggesting there is anything suspicious about the pilots - any scenario really where the pilots die and someone has already disabled the radio.)

I thought that the pilots simply turned the transponder round to the hijacking squawk code to 7500, which wuld seem that the cockpit was either compromised suddenly or one of the pilots was in on it.

Letz - someone earlier explained it as. Looking for your favourite fountain pen on the streets of london.

Its a vast area and the signals only travel about a mile.

Just flicking through the last thread (can you tell I'm not working at the moment ) and I saw some queries on cyberjacking. Not sure if Goldie can go into too much detail on some subjects due to security reasons :); this and the cockpit access spring to mind. We may have to content ourselves with our own musings and conclusions on some points!

My masters is all around information governance and I can tell you there are some things going on that make your hair stand on end in terms of cyber security. Agree the whole thought of being able to hijack a plane virtually so to speak is

viva sorry just saw your message on the past thread too. Think you are right, it isn't really a great idea.

Thank you goldie again for your comments. I thought at times we were/are better informed then some of these news articles!

thenks gin.

having said that though, a planes a plane. there must be SOME sort of clues or debris around.

those poor families, not knowing whats happened to their loved ones.

Definitely we are better informed! My parents keep asking me for updates, I sound v knowledgable but haven't confessed it's all from you lot!

So, cyber stuff...hmmm. Worrying.

I'm just place marking ...