Missing Malaysia Air plane MH370 - Part 3

[KenAdams]

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THIS IS ANOTHER COMMENT ABOUT PHONES BUT PLEASE DON'T READ IF IT'S GOING TO MAKE YOU ENRAGED...

I get what you are saying goldie and I thought the same myself. But I don't think it was ever officially confirmed that the phones definitely weren't connecting. At that time they were looking into the South-China-sea-crash theory and had excused the ringing with roaming reasons etc. It seems inconceivable that they wouldn't look into phones connecting to a mast, but like I said there has been no confirmation of this to my knowledge and I have been reading up on this for the past week.

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A plane is large, Zygons, but the sea is huge.

Isn't a blue whale the size of a plane?

Compared to the ocean however it looks the size of a small anchovy!

The deeper the Mystery goes, the more I believe "Its The Greys" the Plane is in Antarctica having been dropped down by the " Mother Ship".

Re phones (ducks) - if they had been ringing back the but going unanswered. Now the batteries have died. Can anyone go back and retrieve any info at this point?

What kind of info?

Cell tower locating info.
I mean if a phone is in contact with a tower and you ring it but no one answers - can someone locate that phone? I think yes. But, if you don't look for it then, let it go dead, then try and 'backdate' your search, can you find anything out?

"I thought at times we were/are better informed then some of these news articles!"

To be honest, journalism on aviation tends to be crap unless it's the trade press. It's all too "the whirling blades of death approached the childrens' heads" (who remembers that one?!). They make it out to be far more complicated and death-defying than it really is. It's really quite mundane. Til something like this happens, that is.

"Definitely we are better informed! My parents keep asking me for updates, I sound v knowledgable but haven't confessed it's all from you lot!"

"We may have to content ourselves with our own musings and conclusions on some points! "

Mmm-hmm. ^This.

I'm off to have din-dinss while you lot talk about phones

Could your chances be significantly improved if you owned a portable shepherd, Goldie?

But JKS, the phones weren't in contact with a tower!

As a generic question, if you know the cell phone numbers and the phones are in range then yes you find out track which tower tried to put a call through if you have a short list of towers - that was used in the Meredith Kercher case to track which cell the suspects were in at what time, but of course those were defined areas, times and numbers.

Boring alert to Goldie I'd just like to add here that the technical question I asked yesterday lunchtime in the earlier thread about the timings the ACARS system was turned off was answered at the press conference this morning.

Basically, they were saying previously that the ACARS was shut down at 1.07 am, but as per my comment on MN, that was merely the time they sent out their last data burst. So it was actually turned off any time between 1.07 am and the time they were due to give their next data burst at 1.37 am, likely in the same time window as the transponder was turned off and the plane made its sharp course change at around 1.20, and the alleged hijackers weren't fannying about for 15 mins between the ACARS and the transponder shut down.

Never - are you thinking about call logs? I know that when I watch crime documentaries there's often information that police get from phone companies. I don't know enough - so I don't know if a phone company would log a "missed call", i.e., a call to phone that was switched off, rather than a phone that was out of range.

But I would hope that all that would have been checked out fairly early on in the investigation, and maybe the only reason it's not been talked about since is because there weren't any results.

Missed calls are logged.

Obv I know they weren't when they were flying about.
Sorry Goldie!
But... Say you thought now you had a better idea where to look. Some of the 'pings' may have been sent from the ground. So you think the plane has landed, and v roughly have an idea where. Could you somehow use a find a friend thingie to backdate your search to when the phone battery wasn't dead?

But what info might missed calls provide? You mean missed calls to any passengers suspected of being in on the hijack plot?

If the plane has landed in remote terrain then there wouldn't be any cellphone masts nearby.

Find my phone doesn't work if the phone's off or out of range.

Yep obv no good if landed out of any range.
Just in case they are in range.

www.inquisitr.com/1173907/flight-mh370-hijacked-by-cell-phone-cyber-jack-theory-raised-by-terror-expert/

All phone companies keep all the metadata from every SIM and handset.

Of course it'll be fed into the investigation, to see if any phone made contact with the outside world after phones-off-for -take-off, and also to see who they may have been calling generally before the flight and if that includes and knwn criminals.

I get that it probably was investigated and no phones connected but info not made public. They have reported on everything else obvious though.

If there's a "missed call" logged for a phone assumed to be on the plane, then that could mean that the plane was, at the relevant time, at a low enough altitude for a signal to get through to it.

The lack of reports could mean that they investigated, found nothing relevant, so that got put to one side. Or it could mean that they found something and don't want to say.

"Find my iPhone will display your device’s last known location for 24 hours."

So if Apple will show it to you for 24 hours, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they keep it for days. Depends if privacy laws allow that.

Unfortunately I think if the plan was to touch down anywhere that might be near a cell tower, all phones would have been gathered up and destroyed. Remember they would all have been off or in flight mode for the flight anyway.

I really can't believe that the final destination was anywhere other than remote and well away from cell towers though - cell towers = civilisation and people who can see a plane land!