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Missing Malaysia Air plane MH370 - Part 3

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KenAdams · 17/03/2014 09:48

Thread 1

Thread 2

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Burmahere · 17/03/2014 10:24

Don't look at sky - BBC news 24. Honestly there are 3 threads already, two of them full at 40 pages each - quite a lot to sumarise.

Burmahere · 17/03/2014 10:25

I know Monetbyhimself I agree, there was still 3 more pages to go, bit confusing having two going on at once Confused

meditrina · 17/03/2014 10:26

I suppose it could. And jungle would be one of the harder places to spot wreckage.

I heard a commentator (sorry, can't remember who/what expertise) saying at there are hundreds of abandoned airfields in Indonesia and Kazakhstan (but nfd on likelihood of any being in good enough nick to receive a 777 reasonable intact).

But as we don't know where the perpetrators intended to fly or why, so heading for Indonesia and ending up in jungle is one possibility of many.

Meglet · 17/03/2014 10:29

Presumably the FBI and Interpol were involved from day 1, or at least I hope they were. They're only making it public now.

KenAdams · 17/03/2014 10:30

Shit sorry, I thought 1000 messages was full Blush.

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TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 17/03/2014 10:30

I think Goldie is away until this evening.

ClifftopCafe · 17/03/2014 10:33

Re: pilot - he might have been angry at the trumped up (?) charges & possible smear campaign against the man who had just been sentenced for 5 years. He was at the trial? How many were? On the very day this happens...

I don't want to blacken either pilot or co-pilot's name but imagine this scenario: a fight between the men (one I think is the son of a high ranking Govt official who may have thought justice had earlier been served re: trial). Erratic flying due to ongoing fight & sadly plane crashes?

Would not explain pre-programmed route if this was correct?

livingzuid · 17/03/2014 10:34

firstchoice essentially a Malaysian Airline Boeing 777 has gone missing en route from KL to Beijing on a night flight over a week ago. No one knows where or why. Catastrophic failure has been ruled out as it seems the plane could have been flying for up to 7 hours after last contact which was leaving Malaysian air space and going into Vietnam air space.

Tracking systems were disabled and it seems that before the last message was sent to air traffic control in Malaysia, these systems would have been tampered with.

25 countries (I think) involved in the search. US and China heavily involved. China not happy apparently with the way the search is being run.

Aeroplane could have gone north towards Kazakhstan or southwest across the Indian Ocean. Australia now coordinating southerly search.

230-odd people on board :( mainly Chinese but with a range of nationalities and also some children.

And no, people couldn't have used their mobile phones. Just getting that out of the way now.

Think that's about it in a nutshell. Don't believe what the DM says. Look at papers like the Wall Street Journal for reliable information. And read the previous 2 threads. Lots of questions answered by the redoutable goldie and others who have the knowhow. It's been very helpful.

Burmahere · 17/03/2014 10:34

Bless you Ken you are forgiven Grin! I'm just writing on both now!

livingzuid · 17/03/2014 10:37

I thought this was also a good article by the BBC about the questions Malaysia will have to answer once more answers to the missing plane have been resolved. Such as how was it allowed to be tracked but not stopped for so long?

www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26603830

KenAdams · 17/03/2014 10:40

firstchoice if you go to the first thread that I linked to in the OP, there's a link to an early news article.

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msrisotto · 17/03/2014 10:41

There's apparently been 11 missing planes since 2005. I've never heard about them before though. Interesting map/infographic Here

livingzuid · 17/03/2014 10:42

OK interesting - Malaysia said it now believes the co-pilot last said those words to air traffic control.

www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26610946

Good overview here too.

livingzuid · 17/03/2014 10:44

Malaysia Airlines thinks it was him, should have clarified.

Drip, drip of info. Understandable I guess, particularly thinking of the families and not wanting to mislead or give false hope, but still frustrating,

MerryMarigold · 17/03/2014 10:47

Yes, livingzuid, I have also wondered about timescales:

  • When did Malaysia first realise it was missing?
  • How did they first go about finding it?
  • How did Malaysian Military radar miss it or not question it?
  • Why did it take so long to discover it had re-routed? Etc

So, was the route pre-programmed or is this more speculation?

In terms of evidence-led searching, meditrina, it seems most of the searching last week was based on no evidence whatsoever (pure speculation that it had crashed, and where it had crashed). It seems quite incomprehensible to me that they didn't realise the ACARS and transponder were deliberately switched off until the end of the week.

livingzuid · 17/03/2014 10:49

I can't remember where but I remember a discussion around missing planes and why it was a bit of a red herring. Nothing has come close to the scale of this one though, that's for sure.

livingzuid · 17/03/2014 10:49

Discussion on one of the earlier threads that is.

livingzuid · 17/03/2014 10:50

I haven't seen anything in the UK press confirming the flight path being programmed in before takeoff but I may have missed that? I think that came from the US media.

SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 17/03/2014 10:51

Why would they be searching the pilots' homes?

livingzuid · 17/03/2014 10:53

Here is a CNN article on waypoints and flight path from yesterday. Need someone like Goldie to tell us how realistic it is or not.

edition.cnn.com/2014/03/14/opinion/goyer-malaysia-flight/

goldie early Wine for you thank you for your help in dissecting all of this for us :)

livingzuid · 17/03/2014 10:53

Oh sorry

edition.cnn.com/2014/03/14/opinion/goyer-malaysia-flight/

livingzuid · 17/03/2014 10:54

Saga for terrorist activity.

Burmahere · 17/03/2014 10:54

To look for any evidence of pre-planned suicide or hijacking plans/information Saga.

I really hope that he is isn't implicated in any way - he may have possibly saved many lives by putting the plane into the sea rather than into a highly populated area.

livingzuid · 17/03/2014 10:55

Or criminal activity. Looking for clues if they were indeed involved. No information yet on these searches which isn't surprising.

This was a premeditated, well planned event.

Burmahere · 17/03/2014 10:56

Blimey living it is possibly a little early for wine! or are you a few hours ahead somewhere Grin!