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So the verdict is apparently due in the Meredith Kercher murder trial today

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PortofinoRevisited · 30/01/2014 11:56

BBC Link

The appeal after the overturned convictions. I hope this can all be brought to a close now.

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FreddieStarrAteMyHamster · 05/02/2014 16:57

It's the weirdest case, so many inconsistencies and lies on both sides. We'll probably never know for sure.

PortofinoRevisited · 05/02/2014 20:43

Weird it is, certainly. I like to think of it backwards.

Mignini - corrupt prosecutor - has a murder on his hands. He is kicking his heels waiting for the evidence to come in - it doesn't happen overnight, despite what you might see on CSI. He sees the young couple who called it in. He starts thinking of his sex game thing. He has form for this. Then he starts bugging their calls, gets their phones etc - remember there is no forensic evidence at all at this point. They are interviewed as witnesses.

BINGO - a text to a black man saying "See you later" This is misinterpreted totally as an arrangement to meet up later. They have AK locked in a room with no lawyer and put it to her that she HAD planned to meet up with Lumumba later, after telling her that RS had disputed that she was indeed with him all evening (ie they asked if him if she COULD have left at any point and admitted, yes, well she could have gone out whilst I was asleep).

They tell AK they KNOW she was there with Lumumba and ask her to imagine what went on. She is totally scared, tired and confused and does in fact "imagine" something, In fact they keep on at her until she "imagines" the thing that suits their theory - at which point they write it all down. And arrest them all. The next day - both of them retract what they said. RS remembers later that AK couldn't have got out of his flat wthout the key, reinforcing his (probably correct) memory that she didn't leave.

2 weeks later they find evidence against Rudi Guede and arrest him. It turns out that Lumumba has a rock solid alibi so they have to let him go - despite attempts to turn it in to a 4-way crime. Evidence FIRMLY puts Guede at the scene. He admits he was there and says it was a strange Italian man that did the crime whilst he was on the toilet. That Meredith invited him in. There was NO mention of AK being present.

At this point the police SHOULD have rethought their theory - remember the bra-clasp evidence hadn't been found yet. BUT - they didn't. They kept with the sex story gone wrong - they had already released LOADS of stuff to the press, the bloody bathroom/footprints etc. Those "sinister" kissing photos were all over the DM. They were FIXED on their story - despite the available evidence not backing it up. And they did everything they could to make the evidence fit the theory - including claiming Meredith died much later in the evening as AK/RS COULD NOT have been present at the time she most likely did die, ie around 9pm.

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claig · 05/02/2014 21:52

I haven't followed the case in any detail.

I watched the interview shown on BBC Newsnight today, which I had Sky plussed from a few days ago. I found it strange what Amanda said at about 8.48 in to the video.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03t0kzk/Newsnight_30_01_2014/

PortofinoRevisited · 05/02/2014 22:20

I live abroad so can't watch the iPlayer without jumping through hoops. What did she say?

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claig · 05/02/2014 22:24

youtube link at 7.32

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 05/02/2014 22:35

Thanks claig.

I am baffled why Patrick Lumumba's lawyer is at these appeal hearings and why he is allowed to make dankng personal comments about AK.

PortofinoRevisited · 05/02/2014 22:35

I don't see anything "telling" from that video. The thing that resonated with me was the thing that the phone was on the table and kept ringing from calls from her mum. Which she wasn't allowed to answer.

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TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 05/02/2014 22:38

Wasn't she being questioned as a witness rather than a suspect at that point? I don't understand why she wasn't allowed to answer.

claig · 05/02/2014 22:40

She says when they told her that RS said that she wasn't there, that completely threw her and she says "Oh my God, it must be true what they're saying, it must be true that I'm traumatised and that I experienced whatever it is that it is"

I find that odd. I find it hard to see how one could think that.

claig · 05/02/2014 22:44

"The thing that resonated with me was the thing that the phone was on the table and kept ringing from calls from her mum. Which she wasn't allowed to answer."

I am a bit of a cynic and thought that she was making too much of that, and do we have proof that it kept on ringing?

PortofinoRevisited · 05/02/2014 22:45

Of course - because they MADE her believe that, at the time. Surely the video is her trying to explain what happened.

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claig · 05/02/2014 22:46

'because they MADE her believe that'

They couldn't MAKE me believe that, could they MAKE you believe that?

PortofinoRevisited · 05/02/2014 22:49

Well presumably someone has records, but as it was 3 days after the actual murder it doesn't mean much on the guilty/not guilty front.

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claig · 05/02/2014 22:50

"When I named Patrick, it was when I finally just broke and I thought oh my God, it must be true what they're saying it must be true that I'm traumatised ..."

Had they mentioned Patrick to her?

PortofinoRevisited · 05/02/2014 22:52

Claig, sorry but you are basically a DM troll type. I am not going to waste my life arguing with you. Sorry if this sounds like a cop out to any other genuinely interested poster to this thread.

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claig · 05/02/2014 22:55

'a DM troll type'
Is that against MN guidelines?

I don't want you to "waste your life", I posted what I thought was strange in case anyone else thought it was strange too. You have made your mind up and studied the case for years and I am not "arguing" like you because I have not invested in any hypothesis like you.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 05/02/2014 23:00

I think they'd been discussing the exchange of text messages with him.

claig · 05/02/2014 23:01

Thanks, TheDoctrineOfSnatch

PortofinoRevisited · 05/02/2014 23:04

You can ask them if you like Claig - just click on report.

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claig · 05/02/2014 23:05

No, I'll let it stand to show what you're like.

TheOneWithTheNicestSmile · 05/02/2014 23:17

Um - claig - how much detail of this case are you familiar with?

Only you do seem to be jumping in here with DM-type kneejerk reactions that make it look as if you don't really know what you're talking about.

(Just saying)

PortofinoRevisited · 05/02/2014 23:18

Ok then.

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claig · 05/02/2014 23:19

TheOne, i said I haven't been following the case. i don't know much about it. But I watched Newsnight and found her statement odd. - (Just saying)
I wondered if anyone else saw it and thought it was odd too.

PortofinoRevisited · 05/02/2014 23:23

I have tried very hard to be unbiased and said what I think - as in not to link to the pro and con sites,

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TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 05/02/2014 23:30

That looked like a jump cut in the edit just before that.

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