Child taken from womb? Truth into darkness....

[LakeDistrictBabe]

Ok, the old thread is nearly full. If you read the other three, I don't need to re-write everything again ;)

But you know I am referring to the case involving an Italian mother and the British social services.
Opinions welcome.

God. You do sometimes post things that make you sound utterly obnoxious.

Given that you are too busy to actually post proper information (ever heard of cut and paste?) I do wonder why you bother posting here.

I genuinely think you get on on the attention.

Am I allowed to say I feel sorry for your children? Am I?

@MadameDefarge
I am sorry for them too. But is he not the champion of 'let's keep all the family together no matter what?' That includes abuse and rape, if he follows the reasoning of IJ.

Local Authority GO Target Potential Reward Grant
Essex County Council GOE Extra adoption orders £2,469,200.00
Luton Borough Council GOE Additional adoptions £400,027.00
Norfolk County Council GOE Additional number of children looked after for more than six months to be adopted £1,067,899.00
Derby City Council GOEM £453,285.00

	Additional children adopted	
	Additional approved adopters 	

Northamptonshire County Council GOEM Additional adoptions Decrease in placements ceasing and not resulting in adoption Fewer average days spent being looked after prior to adoption Improvement on time spent being looked after prior to adoption £1,114,807.00
Derbyshire County Council GOEM Additional adoption orders Additional children placed for adoption within 12 months of the best interest decision. £387,657.00
Bromley (LB) GOL £499,440.38
Additional children adopted
Camden (LB) GOL Additional looked-after children adopted £531,602.00
Croydon (LB) GOL More children adopted or made the subject of Special Guardianship Orders Fewer children waiting for more than 2 years for placement at 31 March - £643,260.00
Reduction in average time taken to be adopted, for children adopted during the year
Improvement on children placed within 12 months of approval by the Panel, for children adopted during the year
Ealing (LB) GOL £635,800.00
Additional children adopted
Improvement in permanency planning

Enfield (LB) GOL Increase in children placed in foster care or for adoption increase in adoptions £628,106.00
Greenwich (LB) GOL Additional looked after children adopted. £580,995.00
Harrow (LB) GOL Additional adoptions over three years £423,262.00
Hounslow (LB) GOL Additional children looked after adopted £495,057.00
Reduction in months looked after prior to adoption
Reduction in disruptions of adoptive placements
Islington (LB) GOL Additional young people adopted £522,872.00
Kensington and Chelsea (LB) GOL Additional children adopted £339,117.00
Lewisham (LB) GOL Additional children adopted £602,854.00
Merton Borough Council GOL Additional adoptions £358,708.00
Southwark (LB) GOL Fewer looked after children £683,912.00
Sutton (LB) GOL Additional adoptions £347,916.00
Tower Hamlets (LB) GOL Additional adoptions £636,207.00
Waltham Forest (LB) GOL Additional adoptions £536,229.00
Wandsworth (LB) GOL Additional adoptions £484,533.00
Additional stable foster placements
LB of Hammersmith and Fulham GOL Additional adoption orders, special guardianship orders and residence orders £391,848.00
Havering GOL Decrease of looked after children with 3 or more placements during the year Increase of children in stable foster care £78,000.00
Enfield GOL Decrease of looked after children with 3 or more placements during the year £178,750.00
Durham County Council GONE Additional looked after children adopted £967,568.00
Newcastle City Council GONE Additional adoptions £572,540.00
Darlington GONE Increase of looked after children in stable foster care £116,737.00
Additional children granted adoption or special guardianship order or residence order
Cheshire County Council GONW Additional adoptions £1,141,890.00
Halton Borough Council GONW Additional adoptions £256,564.00
Knowsley Metropolitan Borough Council GONW Additional adoptions £389,318.00
Reduction in disruption of placements
Liverpool City Council GONW Additional adoptions Improvement in number of adoptions as a percentage of looked after children Improvement on time spent being looked after prior to being adopted £1,191,218.00
Manchester City Council GONW Additional adoptions £984,876.00
St Helens Metropolitan Borough Council GONW Additional adoptions £372,644.00
Improvement on time spent being looked after prior to being adopted
Wigan Metropolitan Borough Council GONW Increase in adoption orders, special guardianship orders and residence orders granted for children in care for a minimum of six months £166,500.00
Trafford GONW Increase in number of looked after children in stable placement £85,535.00
Buckinghamshire County Council GOSE Additional adoptions £786,503.84
Brighton and Hove City Council GOSE Fewer looked after children with 3 or more placements in the previous 12 months £490,601.50
Hampshire County Council GOSE £1,675,619.00
Additional children achieving permanent placements.
Kent County Council GOSE Additional adoptions £2,156,583.00
West Berkshire Council GOSE Additional children placed in a kinship care setting £268,277.00
Additional children made the subject of Residence Orders or Special Guardianship Orders granted as alternatives to Care or avoiding public law proceedings.
Wokingham GOSE Decrease of looked after children with 3 or more placements during the year £42,603.47
West Sussex GOSE Increase in number of looked after children in stable placement £300,000.00
Bristol City Council GOSW Additional adoptions £768,780.00
A decrease in the average time spent looked after prior to adoption
Gloucestershire County Council GOSW £1,020,573.00
Additional adoptions
Reduction in time from enquiry to approval
Poole Borough Council GOSW Additional adoptions £262,920.00
Somerset County Council GOSW Decrease of looked after children with 3 or more placements during the year £911,512.00
Swindon Borough Council GOSW Decrease of looked after children with 3 or more placements during the year £287,696.00
Wiltshire County Council GOSW Increase in stability of placement £148,264.00
Devon County Council GOSW Increase in stability of placements Increase in number of adoptions as a percentage of looked after children £825,421.00
Plymouth GOSW Increase in number of looked after children in stable placement £234,954.38
Decrease of looked after children with 3 or more placements during the year
Herefordshire Council GOWM Additional adoptions £271,606.00
Stoke-on-Trent GOWM Additional adoptions Reduction in disruption of placements Increase in adoptions as a percentage of looked after children Increase in stability of placements £549,016.00
Walsall GOWM Increase in number of looked after children in stable placement £220,000.00
Barnsley Metropolitan Borough Council GOYH £420,346.56
Additional adoptions
Shortening of period in care before being placed for adoption
Doncaster Metropolitan Borough Council GOYH Additional adoptions £578,333.00
Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council GOYH Additional adoptions £592,962.00
Additional Children placed for Adoption will have been placed within 12 months of their Best Interest Decision.
Sheffield City Council GOYH Additional adoptions £1,025,000.00
York City Council GOYH Additional adoptions £282,806.00
An increase in the number of children placed for adoption within 12 months of their best interests decision
A reduction in the rate of disruption
East Riding of Yorkshire GOYH Additional Adoption Order, Residence Order or Special Guardianship Order Increase in stability of placements £562,988.00

	Total	£36,420,099.13

Ok there is a cut and paste. It is much better via email. However, the total of bonus money given to LAs for additional adoptions was 36 Million.

It starts in an excel spreadsheet.

and there's an italian court order via cut and paste.

can you show the relevant information which states that MORE children are being taken into care in order to fast track them to adoption for the bonuses?

What is this document? Where does it come from?

If it gives you amusement to supply information in an unreadable form, do keep on going.

To me it smacks of disrespect and yet more evasion.

do you not know how to cut and paste and keep an original format??

How does this forum operate a tabulated structure?

All your adoption cut and paste shows is that children are indeed waiting less time in care before adoption after the final care order.

try saving it as a jpg and then link to it.

like this

My husband is an ex Italian lawyer. He says can you also post

1. which court ?

2. And was a sentence emitted ? (not sure is emitted is right in English, but he is speaking fast)

I am typing up a brief synopsis and DH's comments/questions, give me a mintue, he thinks I'm some kind of bleeding bilingual legal secratary with super typing speeds.

@Carpe Is it legal to post this Italian sentence if not 'public' in Italy too?
Privacy laws?

I guess it is the tribunale in Roma, guessing from dates and so on.

Adoption laws are rubbish in Italy.

Laws are parent oriented, given that there must dangerous abuses into the family to detach a child from a parent, very often after the child life and psychology is damaged beyond repair.

Therefore, the court is verifying that what the ECC decided is compatible or not with the Italian system. But using a 1995 law to over-ride the CE 2003 one... well, it gives a lot of space for interpretation in my opinion.

John I appreciate I'm only a lowly constituent but I did actually say earlier that you were busy today. I actually said something supporting you.

@Carpe Is it legal to post this Italian sentence if not 'public' in Italy too?

You hate me don't you , now I have him talking ten to the dozen again. Give me a minute.

MN, please don't delete JHs posts. we need to know what he is prepared to put out into the public domain.

Ha. I was wondering why this discussion was still running.

Its rather fun. Carpe - I am enjoying your Dh's arm waving legal explanation. [pours another glass of Prosecco]

AH! sorry, it was the Italian Judgement.

John, I am shocked! Did you use your access to priviliged information to then disseminate it over the web?

Tut tut.

I have cava. Tesco's cava. Only £5 odd.

eh? what happened to my down the rabbit hole post??