Amanda Hutton found guilty of manslaughter

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Just that.

I find the photo of that poor little boy very distressing.

I'm not sure women like that deserve rights. That sounds harsh I know, but what I mean is that there is too much emphasis on the parents rights to see/have a relationship etc with their child no matter how dysfunctional.

And perhaps if I lived with an alcoholic who neglected their children to that extent I might be tempted to turn violent. no, not a politically correct thing to say I know, violence is not ideal but I can't help thinking that someone with that kind of reputation for being quite that aggressive/unpleasant and who was capable for doing that to her own children wasn't exactly an innocent victim. Even the neighbours said that if they'd realised how bad things were they would have alerted the father. Perhaps he was a wilful abuser, or perhaps he was someone at the end of his tether with an alcoholic, abusive woman who had no consideration even for her own children.

I'm sure when she's sat in her cell for the next 15 yrs she will learn what people think of monsters like her

I agree with the posters who say as a women some are looking for excuses as to why she did what she did. Her house was a complete pig sty (but dont judge!), she had 8 children (dont judge!) and was presumably on benefits and being funded by the state (again, dont judge!).

We have to be so careful nowadays not to seem as though we are knocking people's lifestyle choices, that we ignore the red flags.

I hope she rots in prison tbh. If this had been a man people I suspect might not be using the same excuses some on this thread are for why she did this.

The Baby P mother is out. Will it be any surprise if she ends up being pregnant and demands her human rights when SW try to take the baby. And she will be given chance after chance....

Facially Hamza did not have the physical characteristics of the three children I know who have foetal alcohol syndrome. I think it would have been mentioned by the defence,if that was the case.

that is so so awful. Poor little boy. God I hope there is a heaven

what a fucking bad bitch.

And the father no better. A restraining order wouldn't keep me from my children if they needed me. It can't be that fucking hard to outwit an alcoholic

reviews alcoholics are addicts and like all addicts they are capable of manipulating and deceiving people to get what they want

clawdy I think it's fair to say that since Hamza was not seen by a medical professional after the age of two weeks and had been dead a considerable time before his body was found it would be impossible for anyone to make a judgement as to whether he had Fetal Alcohol Syndrome or not.

That aside, his death was an absolute tragedy and I'm appalled at how many red flags were missed. I also absolutely refuse to believe that the PC who attended to carry out a welfare visit 8 months before hamza died didn't notice anything amiss. That poor little boys problems didn't start in his last 8 months

I know. I know.

But if it were my child being abused like that, or if I even suspected it, or if I though they were in teh care of someone with a drink problem. would I fuck sit back going Nah, I'll let my baby suffer after all I don't fancy a night in the cells while the police investigate and find out I'm right.

I am not adding anything to this conversation it's just a visceral disgust and anger really at soem fucking animals that we don't seem to want to put down

not a very measured closing comment by me.

i don't disown it though. For the moment, anyway

I don't think anyone is saying she isn't responsible.

It's just "the buck stops here" implies that she alone is responsible.

Yes, absolutely she failed her child in the most horrendous, sickening and tragic way. But society also failed, because no-one stepped in to remove the child from her care or to protect the child in any way.

Social workers, the police, etc, are all supposed to form a safety net so that having an incapable mother is not a death warrant.

There were points where the ending of this story could have changed. We need to learn so that next time, hopefully, there is a happier ending.

review - I think most of us understand your views tbh. I just cannot understand why someone would do this. Evil? Perhaps so drunk she didnt know what she was doing, maybe but for years on end? That and having sex to produce 8 children. Did she get any maternity care? Did anyone notice how she was?

I am wondering if the women with no partner or history of DV with so many children and a house like a pig sty with no record of attending GP's and HV appts needs a bloody big flag next to her name....

"It can't be that fucking hard to outwit an alcoholic"

That could only be said by someone who has never actually dealt with an alcoholic.

Having personal experience of dealing with someone with alcohol problems - it IS easy. They are slurring their words, they jump from being very happy to grumpy in a flash. They are unsteady on their feet, they drop off in unexpected places. They dont appear normal and able to hold a proper conversation.

Lucky me eh curlew

But when you are pissed and/or passed out you are not at your cognitive peak. I'm no einstein but I'd manage to get my kids away from an unconscious/sleeping pisshead. If I gave a shit

I know this is slightly off tangent but if the younger children are still just crawling, would they be able to learn to walk and go on to have a normal life or have they been neglected to the extent they will always be developmentally delayed and always need specialised care.

If its the latter she deserves another life sentence

Man slaughter????
Disgusting!!! This woman is a poor excuse of a human being! I deal with domestc violence and alcoholic mothers on a daily basis in my job and that does NOT give her any excuse to starve a poor child to death or refuse to provide medical care for him

Her fellow inmates will dish out some punishment for her. And i for one will be pleased.

review

I completely agree with u.

Probably the most sickening child neglect/murder story I've ever heard, and let's face it, there have been a lot of those in recent years.

But "lessons will be learned" of course How I loathe that meaningless cliche of a phrase. Were they learned after Victoria Climbie? Or Khyra Ishaq? Or Baby P?

Now we have Daniel Pelka, Keanu Williams and Hamzah Khan to add to that list. All these "invisible" children failed by so many authorities.

When these women give birth there must almost always be a midwife involved. I say give enormous powers to midwives. If they notice anything, anything at all - nicotine stained finger nails, poor personal hygiene, missing rotten teeth, alcohol breath, anything at all, then SS should be informed and an Indepth inspection of the babies home environment and family should be taken urgently. Even if this is found to be ok, the child you be kept under close watch until they start school.
I really think the midwives must get an instinctive feeling about some people. Fuck parents rights. You have no rights, i don't care about liberal leftie views on this, being wishy washy and treading carefully is when poor vulnerable children like this little boy face unimaginable cruetly at the hands of the very people who should be keeping them loved, fed, warm, clean, comfortable and entertained and inspired. The child has all the rights.
I hope she rots.

The Guardian report says that the siblings (or some of them, anyway) did go to school - albeit having to 'wade through' the utter filth of the house to get to the door.

So how in God's name did no-one at the school pick up on the fact that something was horribly wrong? Can we seriously believe that these children were turning up washed, brushed and fed, with lovely neat uniforms - and that their behaviour and demeanour rang no alarm bells whatsoever?

I can scarcely bear to believe that everyone in this poor child's horribly brutal and deprived life let him down (and the other children too, of course). But they did. 'Slipped through the net' - what net? Nobody seems to have given a flying fuck.

Its because Candust and Brillig because no one wanted to 'judge' this women. Her house was a pig sty (never mind she is trying). She has had 8 children (that's her choice) she is staggering around drunk (poor women, she needs support).

I sometimes watch those midwife type docs set in hospitals. More and more they are showing young girls often with their Mum's or some 'bloke' who spends most of the time on his Blackberry if indeed he turns up. Well, are they going to struggle with a baby. They are dying for a fag. They are sometimes grossly overweight but still not allowed to judge.

So, situations like this go on and on. We know when various agencies called that there was a dead body in the place. People are saying well why didnt they storm in. Well, if they had and there had been nothing there they could end up losing their jobs. So they dont....

What would they have said ' the house was a pig sty so I thought there was something wrong'. People would be claiming that her human rights were breached or that people were picking on her because she had 8 children, no partner.

Apparently Baby P lived in squalor and the SW's didnt bat an eyelid. They told the mother a few days before Peter died that they were really proud of her.

FOR DOING WHAT EXACTLY....

Tragic.

HCP need same rights of entry as police and quickly. We live in a plentiful country for goodness sake, there is No reason for children to be starving to death.

We need an national attitude of complete intolerance to all bad parents. And to people with children who can't even look after themselves!!!!!!