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Amanda Hutton found guilty of manslaughter

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Rowlers · 03/10/2013 17:12

Just that.

I find the photo of that poor little boy very distressing.

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filee777 · 05/10/2013 20:59

Yes until the end of the trial the Serious Case Review won't be published

Also there will be things not released to protect the other children

claretandamberforever · 05/10/2013 21:05

I'm not up on things like this.

Does that mean the Serious Case Review has been completed by now?

filee777 · 05/10/2013 21:10

Yes, it will have been completed by now, but not published until after the sentence.

Caitlin17 · 06/10/2013 01:40

That was the thing that got to me as well, Hamzah wasn't the youngest. Did the youngest slip through the net as well?

Presumably yes given one of the police women referred to seeing 2 children wearing just dirty nappies

The other children were described as being of school age so presumably there were 2 children who were off the radar if at that stage they were still in nappies . Can you even begin to imagine the developmental damage that will have been caused to them.

Caitlin17 · 06/10/2013 01:42

Sorry my post above was meant to be replying to an earlier post pointing out there must have been a baby born after Hamzah.

duchesse · 06/10/2013 09:18

My online research on Ancestry (which goes to 2005) suggests that yes indeed if there were 8 children that one was born after 2005. Until the sibling before Hamzah and twin there are quite long, manageable gaps between the children. The child before the twins was born 14 months before them. (so she had 3 under 2 at one point) I can't know when the next child was born, but a bit of a handful for some spiralling into addiction.

duchesse · 06/10/2013 09:19

*someone

filee777 · 06/10/2013 09:23

Given what you have said, duchesse and also the fact that she recieved manslaughter not murder, I'm intrigued to read the SCR

claretandamberforever · 06/10/2013 15:57

When is the SCR likely to be released? reported? whatever?

filee777 · 06/10/2013 17:36

Week or two.

horsetowater · 07/10/2013 12:50

Found this in the Yorkshire Post

"By October 2009 after repeated failed appointments, Hutton’s GP surgery removed mother and child from the patients list - as is normal practice"

That's one normal practice that needs to change.

handcream · 07/10/2013 13:10

Without hijacking this thread what is happening to society?? I am reading about the 18 year old in East London and the 4 month old baby. She is also accused of neglect of 3 other children. Surely these cannot be her kids......

horsetowater · 07/10/2013 13:19

What is wrong with society? Vulnerable women having babies without support or supervision.

horsetowater · 07/10/2013 13:26

What is wrong with society? Buckpassing.

By the professionals and those with contact. "she didn't come to the clinic so we have no records" - GP. "We came to the door to register the birth and she had a black eye" - Registrar. "I kept trying to get her to let me in" - PCSO. "The family have always had complex issues" - SS. "She was an alcoholic" - Hamzah's father.

The only decent person involved so far was the neighbour who was convinced there was a child in there and something was up because they were throwing dirty nappies into his garden. The police sent an inexperienced PCSO to investigate, which simply delayed matters.

handcream · 07/10/2013 13:34

Vulnerable women having babies - this women has been accused of causing the death of this baby!! You are surely not going to blame society for this are you??

I am sure she had 'support' but refused it, hid from SS etc.

What a horrible horrible story. Dont know the full story but if this had been a man doing this....

passedgo · 07/10/2013 13:43

She met Hamza's father when 17, had her first baby at 18, he beat her and there was ongoing DV, she went on to have 8 more children, one every year or two. She had PND with her first child, not sure when she went on to the bottle of vodka a day routine.

I hardly think she deliberately got herself into this situation.

The people that allowed her children to stay with her (a depressed alcoholic in an violent relationship) are to blame for this.

wannaBe · 07/10/2013 17:30

"The people that allowed her children to stay with her (a depressed alcoholic in an violent relationship) are to blame for this." no. she is to blame for this.

She wasn't in that relationship at the time she was starving her child to death.

The ex was apparently charged with dv offenses, so how is it she had the ability to seek the help of the authorities when it came down to her (a restraining order isn't something which is come by lightly) yet she didn't give a shit about her eight children. didn't give a shit about the fact that her children were living in a house with a dead body.

People need to stop making excuses for this murdering bitch, she was capable of making decisions for herself, to get the husband out of the picture, get the restraining order, get her next alcohol fix. She chose not to make decisions for her children. chose to starve a child to death and then conceal his body for two years while her other children lived in squaler.

pumpkinsweetie · 07/10/2013 20:38

Completely agree WannaBE!
She is a cold hearted killer, there is no excuse in the world for what she did.

TheCrackFox · 07/10/2013 20:48

Completely agree with you wannabe.

She chose to neglect and abuse her children and the blame lies squarely at her feet.

kotinka · 07/10/2013 22:40

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Clawdy · 07/10/2013 22:56

They neglected their duties - culpable and wrong,no question.
She neglected her helpless child and caused him to die a prolonged agonising death - that is a hundred times worse and there is no excuse or forgiveness.

Caitlin17 · 07/10/2013 22:57

There was clearly a breakdown down in the network but wannabe is quite right. She must have had enough gumption to consult a solicitor to obtain a restraining order, get rehoused in what actually looked like quite a nice house under the filth, apparently was able to continue getting enough money to pay rent and buy booze and enough food to feed herself and the other children.

Oh I agree there were plenty of people not doing their job but that does not absolve her in any way.

kotinka · 07/10/2013 23:01

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wannaBe · 07/10/2013 23:05

But the buck stopped with her.

Did social services starve that child to death? no.

Did they fail to spot that there was an issue? yes certainly, but when they were denied access to the house they were powerless. And there was no indication that things were that bad.

Did the police hide a dead body in that woman's bedroom for two years? no.

Did they fail to act on the allegations of the father that something was amiss? yes, but again, the father had a record of abuse, a restraining order against him, and therefore a potential reason too make malicious allegations.

Did the neighbours, ss, the school, the police feed AH alcohol and leave the house in that state? no.

The only person responsible for that child's death is Amanda Hutton. The only person responsible for those children living in that state is Amanda Hutton. Others did not spot that there were issues but they did not kill that child - she did.

kotinka · 07/10/2013 23:20

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