Amanda Hutton found guilty of manslaughter

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Just that.

I find the photo of that poor little boy very distressing.

Obviously there is not enough awareness/concern/duty of care towards safe guarding young children. If giving HCP's right of entry stops children being murdered then it should not be stood in the way of. It would prevent those HCP's from making so many wrong decisions either way because they wouldn't have to make assumptions, they could simply go and look.

And I agree about the duty of care, it needs to be extended to everybody, we all have an obligation to protect every child.

I agree utterly with your post MrsDV, Safeguarding is everybody's business...not just the professionals.

As I said in my post, I would give right of entry to HCP's who were visiting a child because they are there to see a child not the parents fundamentally.

I can't see why the implications would be horrendous unless someone had something to hide.

There is a massive difference between police doing a dawn raid and social workers having the right to say 'we are here to see the child not the parent' and then demanding entry in the middle of the day.

I have been studying serious case reviews, with a very different conclusion than you seem to have come up with.

Why on earth would a HCP want to do a 1/2/5 year check on a child in the middle of the night?? It's a ludicrous thought it really is.

Fact is, if HCP are visiting because a child is on the premises, they should be there to see the child, not the parents.

It would stop an awful lot of 'hiding' stuff that shouldn't be hidden and make it a lot easier for people to do their job, duty of care needs looking at too, it covers everyone in other countries in Europe, no reason why the same couldn't happen here.

Btw there are far FAR too many serious case reviews, not all of them make the press by a long shot.

Ummm... Okay...

France has a different way of handling child protection. Teachers for example have to report any concerns over child protection. In the case of FGM concerns, little girls can be examined by a doctor without their parents' consent. Health teams still visit children at school to check for any potential health problems (friend who is a TA in a nursery told me one of the 4 yo in her care was recently found to be profoundly deaf since birth in this way) which adds another tier of supervision in a manner that does not require parental consent for access to the home. I believe that France has far fewer child murders than the UK. Daniel Pelka would almost certainly not have been killed in France because his injuries, hunger and thinness would have been noticed far sooner.

Duchess that sounds exactly like the sort of system I would see put in place over here.

The 'duty of care' certainly in Norway (and it sounds like in France too) means that people are duty bound to act upon potential child abuse or harm.

It cuts out a lot of red tape, the teacher things there is a problem and phones the relevant people who examine the child/make sure the child is examined. No need for different organisations going over and over things and making a judgement having not met the child.

Most importantly the initial person who noted concern (the teacher) knows what is going on, knows that action is being taken. This is a vital part of it I think.

From SCR's of these sorts of cases there tend to be a few glaring similarities:

1. The child in question is never spoken to directly and alone - Victoria Climbe, Kyra Ishaq and Daniel Pelka (and many others) all featured this.

2. The needs of the parent are allowed to overshadow those of the child. Professionals will often be far too optimistic about the parent's ability to rectify their behaviour - "start again syndrome".

3. Even when confronted with a clearly abused child, professionals are still too eager to believe the parent's story, however unfeasible

When red flags are raised, there needs to be a change in how families are dealt with and the conclusions of many, many SCR's would back this up.

Just thinking - whose nappies were thrown over the fence? Did the little boy's mother have another baby?

One report said the older children were still in nappies.

The little boy was a twin :( :(

This is not the first time this has happened. There is another recent case and the home was in a similar state. This was linked to in another thread and totally horrified me again. The fact that this happened twice within 18 months is unbelievable.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/mum-who-left-neglected-baby-1838621

AND the mother has has now been released and is free to live her life! We have a serious problem in humanity (and the court system) folks.

Oh I didn't know he was a twin. Hope the other children are with people who are caring for them, but it's hard to think they'll grow up without problems.

Yes I linked to the other story on the other thread, when someone told me this was a one off, it isn't.

The other story was a woman who got addicted to heroin and left her baby for days at at time at 18 months old until he died of starvation.

Absolutely dreadful.

Are there a lot of things that have gone unreported in the media due to restrictions not being lifted? There seems to be so many questions about the other children but no answers.