Amanda Hutton found guilty of manslaughter

[Rowlers]

Just that.

I find the photo of that poor little boy very distressing.

Kotinka - interesting - I agree with you in some respects.

I used to work with a children's SW who was Canadian (now gone back to Canada) - she worked in inner city London. Not excusing her - she really was a good SW but she often had struggles with parents - can't recall re SS offices herself but it seemed to me her hands were tied by them (her workplace) sometimes. quite sad and harrowing.

and my god - the work is draining especially in big cities, so my friend said. emotionally draining too.

i think there should be more co-ordination between schools/SS/parents etc. etc.

I wouldn't do it.

My friend is now back in Canada and studied further. she says its better there.

co-ordination is key - think about the Daniel Pelka (sp?) case - no co-ordination between health workers/doctors and schools there now was there? and in this case too.

parents or anyone who abuses they weave a complex web, tell all sorts of lies etc, whether down to illness or other aspects I don't really care (well I do if they can get helped) but in the long run it's the kids and their welfare that matter.

I have to agree with Miss - it was 100% the mother. Someone used the word deranged and I think that sums it up. Does she have MH issues which seems to be a much softer way of saying it. Of course. She was a serious drinker and a liar.

But she also covered her tracks again and again. Neighbours reported her behaviour but no one took that next step. She was certainly anti social and a shocking mother. She chose to have 8 children who are almost definitely damaged for life.

I think if I am really honest that people didnt want to be seen to 'judge' her lifestyle. She was living off the state with 8 children and with a drink problem. But no one wanted to say anything. Didnt want to be accused of benefit banshing or of picking on single mums, So nothing was done. Maybe its about time we did start judging people who lead these lifestyles

She had red flags everywhere yet no one thought to check her parenting skills. Eight children, no father, supposed victim of DV (and I say that because I dont think we really know what went on apart from the fact she killed her son by starving him to death and threatened to kill the other children if her older son told anyone). She is not a reliable witness and could have made it all up. We just dont know. Over the next few weeks we will wring our hands, officials will say 'lessons have been learnt' but until someone starts to change our perception of what we can do in our lives without being judged or asked to proof we are capable of bringing up children nothing will change.

Please - lets stop ignoring the red flags and start to act.

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They have had failures I think because more and more people feel 'entitled to do what they want, have as many kids as they like, send their children to school with earings (when they are banned) because its their right to do whatever they like.

The truly feckless, the Daniel Pelka's mother and her 'boyfriend' Philpott and Baby P's mother. Now those are the people we must judge again and again. We must question their lifestyles not think 'well' they can do what they like'.

I have said it a number of times and I dont mind repeating.

Baby P's mother will be pregnant within a year as she is now out of jail. Hasnt she already allowed the murder of one child. What is to stop it happening again.

I have to say if I had to decide I would make it clear to her that any baby that arrives will be immediately taken and given up for adoption. There are no appeals, no question of human rights. She has given up all her rights when she allowed Baby P to die

I dont think its a question of resources. Many of these cases were visited by endless amounts of SW's. It's what they do when faced with perhaps someone pretending to be out or refusing to open the door that's the issue.

I think it's quite simple, make the meetings and interviews with HCP's with the child rather than the parent, there are too many stories of meetings taking place without the child present. As the meeting is with the child, access to view the child's bedroom should be mandatory.

I wouldnt be so sure....

I read that she is claiming to recognise her part in this horrible crime and is truly sorry. It only needs one softy to say she was perhaps under the spell of that scum bag boyfriend of hers and now he is off the scene she feels much better and more hopeful that she will be able to cope yarda yarda yarda....

Then we need to change the laws that allow them to enter Mrs Devere. Do you agree that the SC who kick started all of this threatened to kick the door in of Hutton's house/ I am interested - do you support her actions or only because something was found

I am also wondering why the parent often doesnt allow access to the child, claims they are sleeping, and such like. Perhaps they claim they are not even there.

Surely that is a red flag for anyone.

I thought I read in earlier news reports that Hamzah was a twin? How come she did not starve the other one? Surely if one twin had FAS, the other would too? Not that that is true, relevant or has any bearing on this case except for the mother saying the child 'starved himself' so she was insinuating he had some type of medical problem. Surely a HV would have picked this up or they would have had low apgars at birth so follow ups would have been necessary. She must surely have given birth in hospital with a twin birth. Why were they not monitored afterwards as she was a mother of 6 having 2 more at once. The police had already been called for domestic abuse incidents prior to their birth.

The very possibility that that fucking evil bitch deliberately starved him from birth (which she would have had to for him to be so stunted), while feeding his twin is worse than horrific. She must have scapegoated him in some way? There were reports that she hit him and called him a fucking bastard.

I imagine she needed money for booze so spent less on food for all her DCs. That's not a mental illness, that is pure evil.

That poor twin. I hope to god he or she together with the rest of the DC are in a safe place TOGETHER and are put into an intensive course of therapy.

I do blame the extended family, tbh.

if it was my sister I would just march in there. With a bottle of vodka and a bag of smack, if necessary. I know it sounds awfully melodramatic, but it's what would have to happen. Would risk that I wouldn't go to jail because as soon as they opened the door the authorities would see what was going on.

I imagine it's what goes on in low key, more civilised ways all over the country.

But then she was so damaged it may have been done in her family of origin, so if I were her sister I would probably have my own issues.

Such a tragedy

Alcoholics tend to be very good at manipulation tactics, so all the stories the mother has spun out so far about being scared of hospitals and doctors as an explanation as to why the little boy's body was left for months sounds like utter BS. Were we all born yesterday.

I know what you mean handcream, if ss turned up at my door and the kids were sleeping, I would at very least show them the sleeping child!

There have been cases of children locked in cupboard with broken legs while HV's have been given tea downstairs from parents who act like everything is 'normal'

Sickening.

Yes, and children being gagged and tied up to ensure that they didnt scream out.

If you refuse to let your child be seen you will have such a massive red flag on you it will be seen from space. Until that child is seen you will be checked on again and again. I think the issue in a lot of these cases is that people are visited time and time again and refused access and it seems to be acceptable. That will no longer be the case.