Abortion Age Limit - Your Views...

[Salamander]

This news story has broken in the past 24hrs.

What are everyone's views?

I have to agree MP. I can't imagine a women actually thinks 'it doesn't matter if I get pregnant, I'll just have another abortion'. And even if there are a tiny percentage who do, (because I 'm sorry I just can't believe that a 'majority' of women would be so irresponsible with their own fertility for a start, abortion carries risks) how do you legislate against them without punishing the majority?

It reminds me of the right wing mantra that teenagers only get pregnant to get houses, which is informed on ignorance and blind prejudice basically.

once.

we all make mistakes or have accidents once.

after that one should have to pay.

if i could change policy i would change it to 12 weeks.

one chance only.
compusary where possible implant, coil, or other long term device - this includes the partner is applicable - when the male contraception injection comes out.

i think medical abortions should be treated differently and mot lumped togeter in this debate.

for gods sake. you can fuck - but you cant stop yourself from becoming pregnant ..repeatedly.

rubbish. utter utter rubbish - it annoys me - the stupidity annoys me the fecklessness annoys me.

it may be my body but it incubates a completely different life to mine. one that is just as valuable to mine.

my thoughts are not complex or even fully formed - its not a black and white issue

i mean when is life life? rhetorical ffs dont answer that.

from conception - well potentially.

i dont know the facts you see - everyone has an agenda - i want to know at what point the baby is scentiant, feels pain.

and then you will be surprised no doubt with my vehemence - that if my daughter were pregnant at 15

she would be down the doctors.

if i became pregnant now due to vasectomy fuck up . it would be a very very vey complex and difficult decision and i would not rule out an abortion - if i had found out early enopugh and the proceedure could be done early enough.

Custy, and everyone, I once again recommend the Carl Sagan essay I posted a link to below. It is very instructive.

Hmmm that essay certainly makes you think. It also says in it that the most common reason for abortion is birth control so maybe Jenswish does have a point? Also interesting to know that the Catholic church disagrees with abortion after the 1st trimester. I am pretty sure my dh and all his family believe abortion is against their religion full stop.

Shocking - truly.

See as to what to do if someone is found to be pg after the cut off date for abortion then I personally dont know what they should do.

I dont think it should be forced upon them to have to keep the baby whether it will go for adoption or not.

I think custardo's idea is a good one, perhaps there is a way we could give some sort of contraception that doesnt inhibit on freedoms.

Yes, I've no doubt that it is birth control, but I just object to the characterisation of women as ignorant slappers, that's all.

I never characterised women as ignorant slappers, I'm saying Some Are. That was my point!

actually no. I take that back, because they're not ignorant. They know exactly what they are doing when they go through all these abortions I expect and they are very clever cos its free contraception.

Isn't most contraception free?

See, this is another slippery slope I'm afraid of going down. How how do you legislate against the minority 'abortion abusers' then without punishing the majority of other women in the same position?

Cardinal O'Connor is a known and confessed accomplice to paedophiles.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4410131.stm

Exactly what moral authority does he bring to this question ?
The creep should be in jail, not lecturing ministers.

I haven't read the entire thread but i think that abortion should not be done after 12 weeks, unless it is for a very serious complication where life for the baby is not viable once born i think 12 weeks is plently of time to organise yourself iykwim, and i also think that once is a mistake but more than once is using abortion as a contraception and is very wrong.

I dont think ive ever read a post from you DC that wasnt about Pervy Priests....

Most is, but I think some places charge for it. Esp condoms!

I think that if people are having abortion after abortion then perhaps we could start charging people to have them.

and I dont mean the people who have been raped or something like that, I mean people who have gone out had one night stands etc and got pg time and time again that way. Maybe that would be a deterrent. Although doing that you run the risk of back-alley abortions and things like that.

Anyway I only have net access at work and its hometime so I will carry this on debate in the morning when I get back

I just don't think you can legislate about abortion on the basis that some women have repeat abortions. I do think (being a kneejerk liberal type) that as much education about contraception and indeed about sexual practices that don't lead to pregnancy is desirable, in every way including cutting down the level of unwanted and unplanned pregnancies.

I tell you something - I always felt a bit uncomfortable about abortion, and then I became accidentally pregnant. Suddenly my life options narrowed, dramatically - I had two roads to go down, have the baby or not have the baby. I chose o have the baby. She is now five and is one of the principal joys of my life, whose presence illuminates my daily existence. But I remember that feeling of stark option, the bit of me that felt suddenly confronted with something it didn't want...and I would never, ever, condemn another woman for making a different choice.

Abortion abusers? Once is OK, but more than that is "very wrong"? Why is acceptable to have one abortion, but not more than one? I'm not saying multiple abortions are great for the woman involved, but if you believe in choice, then surely it's up to her. And if you don't, one abortion would be wrong.

Contraception is always free. A termination is only free on the NHS and there are long waiting lists. I think people often end up paying and I don't think its cheap.

I do agree with DominiConnor re this cardinal- plenty of people WERE aware of the nature of paedophilia and it's harm, at the time he professes innocent naivity.

the abortion debate continues and is valid irrespective of who is involved, though.

I found this on this website www.womenshealthlondon.org.uk

"To sum up, whether or not you get an NHS abortion depends on a combination of factors: your GP or local gynaecologist's attitude, local facilities, how many weeks pregnant you are, waiting lists, whether you have had an abortion before (some areas will not do repeat abortions), and your current situation"

I agree, that's one of the slippery slopes Becky

I can't believe anyone is really an 'abortion abuser' BTW.. I just made up the term to make a point. It sounds absurd, doesn't it?

It is a tricky area but I don't think demonising even a small minority of women actually helps any.

as usual Dominiconnor, your comments are offensive, hyberbolic in the extreme ( look it up ) and ridiculous.

Why, if the BBC report in the link is correct and accurate, are DCs comments on the Cardinal 'ridiculous'?