Another Muslim gang raping and torturing young white girls...

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And yet again we are told that there is no racial or cultural element to this phenomenon.

I accept that absolutely child sex abuse is, horrifyingly, present across society.

But refusing to confront the ethnicity of the perpetrators/victims seems very unhelpful in addressing this particular problem. This is the nth gang like this with exactly the same profile of members, victims, and modus operandi.

Given the length of time most of these cases have taken to come to light, it's hard not conclude that the lives and rights of these girls were given a lower importance than 'cultural sensitivities'. Otherwise why were they disbelieved and a blind eye turned for so long, even when help was sought?

It makes me so angry that officialdom ignores this racial/religious elephant in the room. Members of these 'communities' are also too willing to deny the horror in their midst and aggressively claim their own victimisation. I've just watched a Muslim MP on Newsnight claim that he found Jack Straw's 2011 comments about this phenomenom (Muslim rape gang, vulnerably young white victims) 'offensive'.

More cases just like this are bound to come to light.

Am I the only one that feels infuriated by these flat-earthers who persistently deny the reality? And what can be done?

I'd be interested to hear the views of people from all backgrounds.

FWIW -I was brought up a Catholic, so was DH. Church every Sunday and Holy Days etc. I dislike the Catholic religion and pious people who claim to be Catholics but ignore most of their teachings which are almost impossible to follow, no birth control, no divorce, male priests only etc but if they arent bothering me and trying to force their views on others its fine.

In the past 50 years religions have caused us to kill each other in the name of God or whoever you believe in. 911, 7/7, Boston Bombing. These were all carried out by madmen claiming to be Muslim's.

I would question where they are getting their ideas from, who is teaching them that if you dont believe in their religion we will kill you. Of course many many people go about following their beliefs quietly and with respect but there is a definite undercurrent of people with madman views (and it does tend to be males again)

I agree that religion can be a convenient way of brainwashing people. But if your insinuating that the last half decade's atrocities have been carried out mainly by Muslims, I suggest you re-check your history books.

You're. FFS, I hate my phone.

No, I am not saying that. However, I do think people who come to this country and clearly hate it and preach hate and murder need to be run out of this country.

Agreed - religion is an exellent way of brainwashing people.

Going back to the OP. There is clearly something that these men learnt, that white women were trash, and god knows who they passed them around to. Are those people being hunted down? It would be interesting to know who these girls were offered to. Was it to people in their communitity? Where did they get these ideas from, school, home, the community, each other?

Has anyone asked them why they did what they did?

I also believe that the men who these children were given to / prostituted to should be hunted out and prosecuted.

No-one seems to have asked who they were and it is an odd omission to the story.

I think the authorities should be able to act where appropriate and the girls safety should be more important than if the police/social services are perceived to be racist towards the perpetrator. Far too much pussfooting around regardless of who the victims were.

Very interesting article on this case in the Daily Mail by an imam. Worth reading, discusses the topics on this thread and makes interesting points.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2325185/The-Oxford-sex-ring-preachers-teach-young-Muslim-men-white-girls-cheap.html

'No-one seems to have asked who they were and it is an odd omission to the story.'

My guess is that the girls described the men involved, but maybe the media are not reporting the full facts.

Thanks for the link to that article claig. Maybe it will give the deniers some food for thought.

I am actually more angry with the poor parents that meant these children were in SS, the care home workers, the police and SS

one mother said how angry she was as "SS were meant to care for her child", erm, NO, you were lovey

I am of course angry with the men but they will go to prison, with them its a black and white case of criminality (scuse the pun)

the fucking piss poor care home workers wont, the police wont will they?

we have a fucking problem in this country, too many bad stories recently

I just cant get up about the Muslim thing TBH

'one mother said how angry she was as "SS were meant to care for her child", erm, NO, you were lovey'

How do you know that SS didn't take the child from her mother and she had to then trust SS with her child's care?

I don't blame the parents. Some of them were begging SS and the police to help their children who were being abused for years. A father was told something like stop looking for his missing daughter as it was not helpful to her.

The girls seem to have been abandoned and the parents seem to have been abandoned by those who are supposed to protect them.

And the question is why?

Because people in authority have a long history of disbelieving accusations from young and / or vulnerable people, claig. And frankly often from adults as well.

Many of the children abused are from difficult backgrounds or are living in care. Many do not have anyone looking out for them.

Our authorities should protect vulnerable people and their default should be to believe and take seriously things that happen but time and time again that fails.

The abuse in our care homes, the abuse by these gangs, the abuse by famous people - all of these have something in common which was the authorities as a piece failed to act.

It's atrocious and I hope that more will be done about this than "lessons will be learnt" and then it all happens again next week.

Yes, you are right, there are massive failings in how the authorities reacted to this.

There should be a public inquiry which looks at the institutional failings and why they occurred so that they will never happen again.

The imam in that article suggests some reasons that may have contributed to the failure to react - reasons that many newspapers will not discuss. The imam may be right or he may be wrong. But there needs to be an investigation to find out what the causes of this failure to protect vulnerable children was.

There's always something though, some excuse or another to let men who do this get away with it for so long

Race
Religion
Job
Wealth
Family
Position in the community
Victims percieved lack of "credibility"
etc etc

There's always something.

And there have been inquiries. Inquiry after inquiry after inquiry. Nothing seems to change.

Yes, well each one of these excuses needs to be exposed and discussed openly so that it loses its credibility and cannot be used as an excuse in the future.

'And there have been inquiries.'

Yes, more reports that possibly do not address the real issues.
But were these inquiries public and out in the open. These inquiries are as important if not more so than the Leveson one. Why are no rich people funding pressure groups to get to the bottom of these issues in order to prevent them happening again?

Just seen on the news yet another case - vulnerable young woman horribly abused and treated as a slave by 3 employers, managed to get out to a police station and herts police didn't believe her and then took her back to her abusers and handed her over.

Herts police are declining to comment.

Over and over and over, every day it seems there's a story like this.

They need to start bloody well listening. We Believe You is such a relevant campaign.

claig, fair point

BUT, I cant help the fact that the vast part of my anger goes towards the authorities not the men

not sure why...just is so

I think the article that claig has linked to is very enlightening. There is an issue with some muslims, but you cannot lump all muslims together. Its like lumping the church of england with Westbrough Baptist church. Isalm is varied as christianity.

There are already laws on ensighting racial hatred and some imam has been prosecutes. Prehaps there needs to be laws on enciting hatred of women or other religous groups.

"BUT, I cant help the fact that the vast part of my anger goes towards the authorities not the men"

Its reasonble to feel angry with the authorities who allowed this to happen. However these girls were not raped by social workers or police officers.

We need to look after local authority care children better.

I agree - we DO need to look after children in care better. its costs £1000's and £1000's but for what exactly!

EXACTLY

we know that the vast majority of people in prison were in care, its so fucking sad.

Look I am not in SS, and I feel mean bashing them as I know that alot of them are good people, who care, and who work hard

Yet, week after week stories come through that seem to indicate that the services are not fit for purpose. some of the stuff I read around this case baffled me.

we cant stop rapists, well not easily, but we can look at how we spend the money we have and getting it right. everyhting seems to start with "there is not enoygh money". Does hiring decent people that care for the children cost more money? Does ensuring the police take 14 years old with burns on their arms seriously costs money

I have been travelling alot to other european countries, and frankly those with a more socialist society and a vast "middle class" population seem to do alot better than us.

I keep feeling like we have a massive societal divide in this country, and its really hurting out children.

I think the UK has some major fucking problems

I am so upset by it, I actually could cry

I wonder if they practise defensive social work, dont take any risks, dont go on a gut reaction, dont judge people, if the place is a pig sty and you see the odd needle you shouldnt have and if there are suspicious people coming and going, if the police know the family - the chances are there are issues.

Dont worry about being seen as PC. If something is wrong its wrong.

Dont give people chance after chance.