Another Muslim gang raping and torturing young white girls...

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And yet again we are told that there is no racial or cultural element to this phenomenon.

I accept that absolutely child sex abuse is, horrifyingly, present across society.

But refusing to confront the ethnicity of the perpetrators/victims seems very unhelpful in addressing this particular problem. This is the nth gang like this with exactly the same profile of members, victims, and modus operandi.

Given the length of time most of these cases have taken to come to light, it's hard not conclude that the lives and rights of these girls were given a lower importance than 'cultural sensitivities'. Otherwise why were they disbelieved and a blind eye turned for so long, even when help was sought?

It makes me so angry that officialdom ignores this racial/religious elephant in the room. Members of these 'communities' are also too willing to deny the horror in their midst and aggressively claim their own victimisation. I've just watched a Muslim MP on Newsnight claim that he found Jack Straw's 2011 comments about this phenomenom (Muslim rape gang, vulnerably young white victims) 'offensive'.

More cases just like this are bound to come to light.

Am I the only one that feels infuriated by these flat-earthers who persistently deny the reality? And what can be done?

I'd be interested to hear the views of people from all backgrounds.

SDTG yes but that's sort of my point - the thing that is mostly in common is that the perpetrators are almost exclusively male. And we know that we have a problem with male violence against women / girls / boys / other men. And a corrosive culture around gender roles and so on.

So before drilling down and saying oh well what about these men or these men or these men why not look at the fact that pretty much all of these perptrators have something in common - whether they are priests, slebs, kebab shop owners - and try and do something with that.

Start listening to all victims, and start educating our children when they are young, and as a society stand up and say that certain attitudes are unacceptable no matter which part of our community they come from.

Why is it that asian men abusing white girls gets so much attention, while white men abusing white girls, and black men abusing black girls, gets comparatively little?

They don't. Many many more column inches for Savile than these gangs.

Another recent case - Tia Sharp - got many, many more column inches than Charlene Downes ever did when she disappeared in 2003. For those who don't remember that case (which received little coverage, comparatively) Charlene Downes was a white girl with a chaotic home life. She hung around take-aways, got groomed into having sex at 14. The (in this case, Jordanian) muslim take-away owners who groomed her were tape-recorded chuckling about how they put her body into kebabs - 'fed into the mincer'. No trace of her body was ever found (and acquittals all round).

What bothers me is that the race of the people involved is concentrated on more than the sex.

That bothers me a lot. You may have noticed! Kind of the elephant in the room.

Part of the vehement response to crimes of this nature is caused by reaction to the fact that for a long time it has not been acceptable to focus on the ethnic components of this type of crime. by attempting to shut down debate by screaming "racism", you are actually making the responses you claim to worry about more likely.

Very true, and well put.

"It is hardly extraordinary for any of the things that you mention to be done by white men in the UK."
I am genuinely intrigued as to why you feel the need to keep making statements of this kind, which literally no-one, as far I can see, has sought to disagree with. No-one is suggesting that looking at this type of offender means others don't exist, or are of less concern.

endthiscowardice there have been many studies looking at newspaper reporting of different types of crime and different types of victim / perpetrator profile.

You being able to say "oh but this and this" off the top of your head does not refute those studies I'm afraid.

There is even a charity in the UK which focuses on missing non white children as they don't get the coverage in the press that white children do (although I can't remember what it is called at the moment).

NiceTabard - it is interesting that in the Rotherham and Rochdale cases, as well as the Oxford case, the groups of perpetrators involved were (if I recall correctly) all male. There are other cases where men and women work together - Fred and Rosemary West, and Ian Brady and Myra Hindley spring to mind - and it is my understanding that women are involved with such crimes because the presence of a woman may soothe and reassure someone who might be wary of a man on his own, or a group of men.

I am wondering whether this too reflects their views on women.

How the general public guessing as to whether there was a religious / race aspect to these crimes, based on what they have been fed by the media, will actually help victims, is hard to see.

It's not guessing, it's asking a question -a question many think it is unacceptable even to ask.

The media is not 'feeding' a view that there is a racial aspect; the media has been pretty circumspect. Officialdom persists in saying, very specifically that race is not an issue.

The Oxford case has received a lot of publicity, much more than the one - five days ago - in Telford:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-22379414

This was low profile. The media is very far from whipping up a frenzy about these cases.

Sorry I don't quite follow that. Got it up til the last bit? Reflects whose views on women?

I think I get upset about these types of threads because the biggest correlation in offender & victim profile in terms of sex seems to be put aside to concentrate on other matters. I worry that that both diverts from the problem as a whole and also has an effect of "othering" the perpetrators (identifying them as being from a minority group) and thus removing need for self-reflection.

Just to clarify, the seven men convicted in Telford last year had their cases reported at the time but it was not permitted until last week to link the cases, ie expose them as (another) trafficking/grooming ring.

But it wasn't reported as big news last week when this aspect was exposed. I can't help wondering why not, or the reason for not linking the cases at the time. Could it be because it was too 'sensitive'?

fairly typical article about one of these cases Seems fairly balanced to me.

Do we really need to throw CnP at each other?
i can link you to stacks of horrendous cases with white perpetrators if you like, but I'd rather not, as I find it a bit upsetting. Cases are often only reported in local news from what I have seen, if the offenders are white. And victims seem often to be family members rather than others. But still terribly upsetting. And happening all the time. Look at the terrible things that went on with childrens' homes too, men basically using them as brothels. This is such a huge and pervasive issue it seems wrong to single out one victim/offender profile to concentrate on.

The Quran is fairly clear about the attitude to non-Muslim women.

Stop pretending this doesn't have anything to do with Islam. These people aren't just your random lads calling a girl who sleeps around a slut over a few beers jokingly, they think any girl who wears a sundress is a whore. It's a difference of kind, not degree.

Wow that is a really offensive post charles.

Shows up exactly what I was talking about, with the same attitudes being hidden in plain view.

You care more about hurting peoples fweeeelings than you do about young girls being raped. I find that pretty offensive to be honest. Offensive to any sense of rationality that is. The modern left is so bizarrely idiosyncratic that it attacks Christianity on the one side and defends Islam on the other.

Doesn't this make no sense from the point of view of ideological consistency? Almost as contradictory as condemning any whiff of racial tribalism from White Anglo-Saxons whilst outright encouraging it amongst non-Whites. It's almost as if left-liberals don't really care about concepts like 'fairness' or 'justice' at all. It's almost as if left-liberalism only appears consistent when you consider that they simply support whatever is most harmful to white westerners. Then everything they do makes perfect sense (unrestricted immigration, deracination of the native population whilst encouraging implicit and explicit racialism amongst the minority populations, making it near-taboo to speak about hate crimes against whites and so on).

Oh, and the Quran is pretty clear, the Hadiths are too. Non-Muslim women are fair game in Dar-Al-Harb, I can post the relevant passages if necessary. There are plenty of people in Europe who have good reason to hate Islam, just speak to any Orthodox Christian from the Balkans. The presentation of Muslims as yet another government and media mandated "victim group" is a recent rehabilitation. I don't think anyone was stupid enough to believe in the kinds of Bethany Hughes-esque nonsense about "the tolerance of Islam" back when Gladstone published his Bulgarian Horrors and the Question of the East.

I think that the stories that we are seeing the media now is just the beginning, this has been happening for a long time but now the media and police are staking an interest we will see many cases. It's not racist to say that there will be many more Asian men prosecuted for this type of offense in the 5/10 years.

I have been hassled in this way, I will be teaching my DD to be alert to this risk.

If you are an Asian woman reading this thread (or others similar) before getting offended please consider that by default you won't be on the receiving end of the treatment/harassment that is being discussed. No one is suggesting that it isn't the minority of this ethnic group. I am not making sweeping suggestions but I do know first hand the behaviour of some.

Careful Charles... you aren't allowed to say those things. If you stick your head above the parapet you'll get shot.

We are all equal but some of us are more equal than others.

charles I can't even be arsed to read your full rant.

Your post was extremely offensive and reflects the attitudes that you claim to abhor. I think you need to reflect.

pigsmummy people/children are most likely to be sexually abused/assaulted by people they know. The reason that these girls were abused was because they knew these men. Because no-one was looking after them, wondering where they were all night, because the police and other authorities did not act when the girls told them what was happening. That is what needs addressing.

If you tend to notice when your children are out all night and you care about where they are then their likelihood of being open to this type of abuse is minimal. They are far more likely to be abused by a friend of the family or family member, or other person trusted by the family. So maybe keep that in mind if you are worried.

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Thanks to relentless official propaganda attacking whites, the girls are frightened of seeming "racist", giving the non-white pimps another way to manipulate them. The propaganda also makes the pimps feel justified in what they're doing:

As well as simple opportunism, pimping of white females by black and ethnic-minority men can be a type of revenge against whites. ?My parents ran a grocery shop,? says Hussein, who admits to being part of the pimping gangs in the late 1990s. ?They had hardly any money, even though they worked their backsides off. White people treated them like shit, like they were their servants.? Hussein says he took ?great pleasure? in having young white girls at his beck and call, knowing their parents would be out of their minds with worry. Although Hussein was reported to the police, he was never arrested for any crime, and is now working in Leeds.

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2538090.ece

The whole situation is proof of how Britain's traitorous government and media work to harm whites. The government brings them in, the government says it can't control the borders (explain why every East Asian nation has a functional immigration policy that can limit numbers and expel criminals, but Britain can't), and the media backs the government up by saying either we need these people to work their low level retail jobs or we need to let hundreds of thousands of people in because we're racist otherwise (where else but the Western liberal world would such a bizarre and banal explanation fly?)

There will be no attempt to bring the hundreds of men like Hussein or that girl fed into a meat grinder to justice, no canonization of their victims, Saint Stephen of Lawrence style. Want to hazard a guess as to why?

endthiscowardice

Seriously?

If white men call women sluts it is a joke?
A person who is a whore - ie working as a prostitute - is there to be raped? That there is no difference between having sex for money and being raped? That this correspondence can be applied to children.

It simply showed up Charles' own attitudes - that he sees it as a joke when white men call women sluts - and that he equates adults having sex in return for money with children being forcibly violated.

Dodgy dodgy dodgy attitudes, and yet you are in agreement with him.

Double standards, seriously, just awful.

OK

OP, you have pin-pointed that it is specifically pakistani muslim men who are at fault here and the race is hugely significant. You have highlighted their religion and their ethinicity as having something to do with the crime. Misogynistic pakistani society you say? Must be differentiated from indians you say - because indian society in general is so not misogynistic and so respectful towards women right!

For those who say that womens rights are not important in pakistan......well, they are of utmost importance to the women in pakistan. But yes, it will take ome time yet.

My view....these men picked the easiest group to target - i dont think for a moment that they spared pakistani girls out of respect for them. There are a whole load of cultural variables which could have made it a bit more difficult for them to target Pakistani girls - but how do we know that they didnt try and perhaps even succeed to a certain point? Cowards that these guys are - and cowards always target the most vunerable group - in this case white young girls considered as 'easy pickings' who even our society didnt listen to.

Would you consider race and religion of a bunch of western paedophile gangs and look at the race and religion of their victims. Would you conclude that these were were a group of white middle aged men who were racist and abused little pakistani girls as they didnt target white little girls? No, you would focus on the crime and find it abhorrent rather than looking at race and religion of all involved.

You can ask what, if any, role that culture, race and religion may have had, but to say that it is the cause of the crime and THE factor that trumps above all others is indeed racist in itself unless proven to be so in the court of justice.

These type of threads make me sad andhappy. sad, because it shows that ignorance and racism are very much alive and kicking, and happy because majority of mners are deep-thinkers and tolerant. They kick-ass when they kick racist remarks in the ass

Your post was extremely offensive and reflects the attitudes that you claim to abhor.

I don't care whether I'm offensive. If I'm offending people with paradigmatic sensibilities and the poor widdle muslims and their fweelings, then I'm doing it right. In case you hadn't noticed, your views are the mainstream and don't really tolerate much pluralism beyond "Isn't diversity great and wonderful?!" Attacking the status quo is a good thing.

defuse

Quite.

The situation is quite reversed with white middle aged men going to certain parts of the world in order to abuse non white children.

I don't see that as racist - I see it as the men go where they can get the access.

Same as in this case.

I am surprised that people haven't considered whether these men were abusing their own children. I would be surprised if they weren't (if they had any).