Another Muslim gang raping and torturing young white girls...

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And yet again we are told that there is no racial or cultural element to this phenomenon.

I accept that absolutely child sex abuse is, horrifyingly, present across society.

But refusing to confront the ethnicity of the perpetrators/victims seems very unhelpful in addressing this particular problem. This is the nth gang like this with exactly the same profile of members, victims, and modus operandi.

Given the length of time most of these cases have taken to come to light, it's hard not conclude that the lives and rights of these girls were given a lower importance than 'cultural sensitivities'. Otherwise why were they disbelieved and a blind eye turned for so long, even when help was sought?

It makes me so angry that officialdom ignores this racial/religious elephant in the room. Members of these 'communities' are also too willing to deny the horror in their midst and aggressively claim their own victimisation. I've just watched a Muslim MP on Newsnight claim that he found Jack Straw's 2011 comments about this phenomenom (Muslim rape gang, vulnerably young white victims) 'offensive'.

More cases just like this are bound to come to light.

Am I the only one that feels infuriated by these flat-earthers who persistently deny the reality? And what can be done?

I'd be interested to hear the views of people from all backgrounds.

cerisier

that is an outrageous decision
mind you this stuff happens all the time with sex offenders
the judiciary find some reason to minimise their crimes / let them off
Oh he's a pillar of the community / she didn't look 12 / it's a first offence etc etc and then let the men off or give them paltry terms
Disgusting and action needs to be taken.

Out of interest

Do people think that in Pakistan, when a man wants to abuse a child, he refrains from doing so unless he can find a white child?

Or do people think it likely that a man who wants to abuse a child will do with any child he has access to, and preferably one who he can control (ie a vulnerable one)?

Do people honestly believe that the motivation for this was race rather than sex - if so why were none of the victims white boys and why in other cases were there non white victims?

I don't think that for an instant, NiceTabard. But if this attitude that white girls are easy prey does exist in the UK, is it actually relevant that it doesn't exist in other countries? If it does exist only in the UK (in pockets of men, not in the whole communities), does that make it less important that it is dealt with where it does exist?

SDTG yes . I guess I would frame it though in terms of if there are pockets of misogyny / sexism in society they need to be tackled which would have a wider focus and bring in these men also men and boys in certain inner city gangs and also groups within white uk culture. A wider focus would impact more people positively I think.

SDTG I think it is the similarities between the victims in many of these sex abuse scandals that is the thing for me - many of them extremely vulnerable, and with a thread running through of not being believed when they told. The children who told about slebs, the ones who told about priests, the children in the care homes who complained and complained even into adulthood, and the victims in this thread. They all told people and were turned away and that for me is heartbreaking commonality about all of this.

Absolutely, NiceTabard - heartbreaking commonality is the perfect way to describe that - and it needs to be tackled urgently. It needs to be tackled on every front - believing the victims, identifying particular groups that are at greater risk, educating anyone and everyone who believes that they don't have to treat others with decency and respect.

The issue of some Muslim/asian/pakistani men believing white girls are easy and deserve to be abused is just a small part of it. But if it can be identified and tackled, that is one step in the right direction - and just as importantly, if we can prove that this is not a specific problem within these communities, then we can refocus our efforts in other areas. Either way, we need to ask the question.

Yes I would go with that.

I just get twitchy with the way things are reported in certain areas of the press, I think I've expounded on that enough though!

And I think that when it comes to education - young people in schools for eg - it would be unwise to separate out groups based on race / religion etc and give them different messages. While some groups may be more at risk than others - of becoming either abusers or abused - I think that it should not be exclusive.

I think there is a pattern emerging in these cases whereby certain men very often claiming to be a Muslim DO target white women. If these men in this horrible case targetted women in their own community I suspect they would be spotted immediately. There are just too many recent cases to ignore.

Having travelled to the Middle East many times, there is a clear culture in many areas of women being 'owned' by their husbands, of having to be virgins on the day of their marriage, of dressing so that other men dont get carried away and of girls being married VERY young.

This is part of their culture and religion. FGS, one of the defantants was married to a 9 year old! So, all this they are British born, what has that to do with their religion is talking nonsense.

Yes, there are other cases but the OP started a thread asking whether there is a pattern in these cases and the answer is yes. Is there a pattern emerging - yes. Is it racial - yes, they are only targetting white women.

Girls, not women. An important distinction.

Something I read earlier said that 23% of the victims have been non white.

To me the men are being racist as they would not do it to girls of their own culture because they could not get away with it and somehow the white girls are beneath them. Also how do their parents and sisters feel about their behaviour.

Only white girls who they think of as cheap and trashy are targeted. haven't read of any others but I could be wrong. I think it is also the way they do it as an organised gang is really unpleasant.

I suspect it may be a problem in this culture as they are not allowed to be sexually active before marriage and are repressed to some extent.

Something I read earlier said that 23% of the victims of these types of gangs have been non white.

it was here

here is another article

"The report concluded that both boys and girls could be victims of sexual exploitation, although the vast majority were girls. The majority of sexually-exploited children were living at home when their abuse began. However a disproportionate number were living in residential care compared to the total number of youngsters in care. Almost three out of ten victims (28 per cent) were from ethnic minority backgrounds. This was significant, the report concluded, given that the ?general perception appears to be that sexual exploitation by groups, in particular, is primarily a crime against white children?.

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I think after ten pages of this thread and who knows how many of other threads, NO ONE is denying that these men targeted white girls.

The question is why? You're insisting that their choice had racist undertones, others are wondering whether they were simply targeting girls who were vulnerable, ignored and had no one to turn to.

I've also lived in the ME and yes, some men were epic shits. But most were devoted, respectful family men just getting on with it.

'The report provided evidence of 1514 perpetrators of child sexual exploitation. Where the ethnicity of the perpetrator was provided, 545 were white, 415 were Asian and 244 were Black.'

For me the percentage of Asian perpetrator's is shocking.

Whilst no one is saying that other areas should be ignored there are some key stats here.

I think it is fair to say that there certainly is a pattern amongst SOME Muslims that white women are fair game. The horrible case about the Muslim man being given a lesser punishment because he had been TAUGHT in a school in the UK that women were less important than men is just horrifying. Is that school being shut down, are the people preaching this rubbish being brought to task..... This wasnt someone being taught outside of the UK - this was IN THIS COUNTRY!!

They did have racist undertones. They chose white girls only. They didnt target their own community. FGS - there are schools in this country preaching that women are 2nd class citizens! Parents are sending their children to these schools knowing this is what is being taught!

Which is proabably why perhaps faith schools should be banned

The Independant link also says this:

Sentencing the men, Judge Gerald Clifton concluded that one of the reasons they had targeted their victims was because the girls had not been part of their community or religion.

Many of your points have been addressed upthread.

If you accept that not all of the victims were white then where does that leave your comment about them only targeting white girls?

Are you now also conflating "asian" with "muslim" as well?

handcream what do you think should be done to prevent this type of crime happening in the future?

I think it is fair to say that there certainly is a pattern amongst SOME Muslims that white women are fair game.

OK but I think it's also fair to say:
There certainly is a pattern amongst SOME white men that white women are fair game.
There certainly is a pattern amongst SOME white men that SE Asian women are fair game.
There certainly is a pattern amongst SOME white men that Eastern European women are fair game.

And feel free to sub 'women' for 'children' as you see fit.

And Asian doesn't always mean Muslim btw.

The Catholic Church had to look very carefully at what has happened over the years with the abuse of young people by priests and the fact that the church KNEW and just moved them onto another parish.

That is for another thread.

The Muslim religion and communities needs to look at what they are teaching in UK schools. We need to ensure instead of coming over all PC that we as society ensure that these schools are not teaching hate and that women are 2nd class citizens by inspecting these schools and having a zero tolerance to anything untoward

What about other private religious schools, handcream?

Questions have been raised about some things being taught in schools in some of our more closed religious communities (I am in an area which seems to be quite good at closed religious communities).

I think the key with this schools things is that they are private religious schools, the actual flavour of the religion may be secondary.

We don't really know at the moment, unfortunately.

EcoRI - surely if these men targeted only white girls, there is a racist undertone there?