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Tia Sharpe case

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phantomnamechanger · 07/05/2013 20:40

I had been wondering about this case ever since it first hit the headlines last year, as my DD is the same age as Tia
uk.news.yahoo.com/tia-sharp-hazell-took-photo-girls-body-163949011.html#R5Rq9Sd distressing details emerging of this case. poor child. I hope her killer gets a very very very long sentence. What a week, with this and the April Jones case. Sick, sick individuals.

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fromparistoberlin · 10/05/2013 08:40

I agree with MN on this

I do think however our conversation around acessibility of vile stuff on the web is a valid one

I dont understand why something libellous gets shut down in a nano second, yet gazillions of vile sites and forums exist

some guys in the US got imnporisoned for the worst stuff ever, I mean it was beyond your worst nightmares, someone managed to catch them

do we not need a global system to manage

maybe I am being simplistic but I just dont understand why these sites continue to exist, there must be 1000 or so code words that are knows and can be used to infiltrate

anyone!????

LibertineLover · 10/05/2013 11:00

yes, I don't understand it either fromparis

I also don't understand why I got deleted MNHQ?

Surely if you're discussing something that's already happened in the trial, it's not speculation? Apologies if I'm wrong.

scaevola · 13/05/2013 11:13

SKY are reporting that Hazell has changed his plea to guilty.

Not on Beeb site yet -I'll post a link when it appears.

scaevola · 13/05/2013 11:17

BBC article

RandomMess · 13/05/2013 11:22

Hopefully this means her family will be spared the ongoing trial and cross examination.

So desperately sad for them all Sad

Vagndidit · 13/05/2013 12:28

Bloody coward. Why not be truthful from the beginning if he was so concerned about Tia's family's suffering? Why drag them through the ordeal of a trial?

His sentence, whatever it is, will never be enough.

LibertineLover · 13/05/2013 12:46

He let them go through the first 5 days though. bastard.

tiggytape · 13/05/2013 12:59

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LibertineLover · 13/05/2013 13:02

yes tiggy that letter was all about him, and how he was going to suffer so badly for one stupid mistake WTAF?? Hoping that as his Dad made the letter public, he doesn't intend to send him 'some money' or fucking fags.

3littlefrogs · 13/05/2013 13:36

He actually says that HIS world has collapsed. Not a shred of concern for anyone else then. Evil man.

Snazzynewyear · 13/05/2013 13:39

The letter is just awful. Utterly self-centred. And yes, the change of plea to guilty now is clearly to try to save himself some measure of punishment rather than out of any concern for the family.

Snazzynewyear · 13/05/2013 13:40

Sentencing at 2pm I think.

NorthernLurker · 13/05/2013 13:45

I can't believe he put her family through those first horrible days and then pleaded guilty. He must have thought he stood a chance of being found not guilty Shock.

Snazzynewyear · 13/05/2013 13:54

Well, as well as being evil and dangerous, he also seems to be pretty stupid. This last move seems pretty cynical. His defenders must have told him he was only making it worse for himself by allowing all this horrific evidence to be seen in court.

handcream · 13/05/2013 14:53

There is a definite underclass now with these feckless men moving from women to woman (didnt this guy first hook up with the mother!!).

Why are they attracted to these sorts of men. And I think it is insulting to family life to called Tia his step granddaughter! She was absolutely nothing to do with him apart from the fact he was dating (if that's the right word) her GM.

Please women - stop associating with scum like this.

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phantomnamechanger · 13/05/2013 15:00

I think these scumbags are devoid of proper human emotions. I think he has no idea what love is, or empathy, or sympathy - and while some of that may reflect poorly on his upbringing, about which I know nothing and am not speculating, there is NO EXCUSE because as an adult, one is capable of makng choices and knowing right and wrong. Plenty of people from horrendous backgrounds go on to have good relationships, are good parents, and upright citizens. His tears have only been for himself. Tears of cowardice and fear. He must also be really very stupid and/or arrogant to think, with the weight of the evidence against him, that people would believe his load of crap story!

I hope he gets a very very long sentence and that still will not be enough compared to what Tia's family have had to go through and will suffer forever.

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handcream · 13/05/2013 15:09

I guess what I am saying is that man was known to be trouble.

He had already dated the mother, why was it seen as Ok to then move onto the gm? This isnt going to be popular with some on this thread but that is the first warning that something is going to go wrong. If I was dating someone who then moved onto my mother (!!) I would find that really creepy, yet no one seems to have commeted on this.

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phantomnamechanger · 13/05/2013 15:12

no I agree 100% with you handcream - its like something out of eastenders when everyone was sleeping with everyone else - think mitchell brothers, carol & bianca etc

totally bleurgh!

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handcream · 13/05/2013 15:22

Its almost like we cannot judge anyone now, the endless change of partners within this family, that poor girl stuck in the middle. Surely this set up cannot be seen as normal?

The papers have even got in on it buy calling her his step grandaughter. She was nothing of the sort.

It also brings back for me the case of Baby P where the mother brought a steady stream of scumbags home to beat the hell out of a 2 year old. And no one seemed to judge her despite the fact that the house she was living in was a pig stye, we are falling over backwards not to judge people who are clearly not capable of bringing up children.

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phantomnamechanger · 13/05/2013 15:30

Mmm - it's about their rights to live as they please Hmm

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phantomnamechanger · 13/05/2013 15:33

Look at the Mick Philpott case - nasty pig of a man had 2 women either so besotted with him or so scared of him they put up with his pervy self obsessed lifestyle

it IS normal for some families, partner swapping with friends and neighbours or brothers in law etc So it IS normal for the children who grow up in it.

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Footface · 13/05/2013 16:05

The problem is there is this whole culture of mustn't judge people, mustn't hurt their feelings. When actually the child is the one who counts and feelings should be at the forefront. We seem to have lost our way as a society.

It is normal for life for the child but it really shouldn't be.

I also think that along with porn the increase in people smoking weed had gone hand in hand with society being the pitiful state it is

xuntitledx · 13/05/2013 16:15

I'm appalled seeing the details come through of this case, it's sickening to read.

Looking at the pictures of the man though, it's quite clear that he's not "quite right in the head" and looks like a sadist - although that may be in hindsight of course.

Agree with what other posters have said, of course the current news/social media etc means we get more current news than ever before but it seems to be a trend that the level of violence and brutality of such crimes is getting worse and worse. Look at what we've seen coming out from India in recent months?! That's just one example...

RandomMess · 13/05/2013 16:17

I too think he thought he stood a chance of getting away with it because he was either of a low IQ or unbelievably arrogant or perhaps both?

handcream · 13/05/2013 16:22

Why do women put up with this sort of man - I am genuinely interested.

Is it that any man is better than no one? It seems to be getting more and more acceptable to do what you like, make crap decision after crap decision and dont worry, if it all comes crashing down you will be 'supported'

There are plenty of safer places to be than with men like this. Or maybe they are only thinking of themselves and the children come nowhere. Not just talking about this case btw.

Do they really stick their heads in the sand when incidents occur that dont add up. I cannot believe that the extended family and friends of Tia didnt think that what was happening, man shacking up with mother and then grandmother was OK, and that it was OK to leave Tia alone with him.

Did they really have no warning signs at all?