Macca and Mills, the fairytale endeth

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MT. Have you finished your coursework/dissertation (sp)?

if heather MM is a charlatan, if i stress, then hasnt she set herself up for having to keep up her standards/public perception "forever" now that they are splitting. what i mean is will she automatically quit all her charity work or will she endeavour to do more to be consistent or prove herself as a wealthy divorcee? if she merily skips off into a life of indulgences will set not set herself up for a much worse public humiliation.
either way shes up for disdain/ but she knows that. but she does have to live with a conscious does she not?

I'm with ya, bubble. Well said-- and on a Friday evening too (am totally beyond articulacy myself )

Had this in an email at work today

A poem by Sir Paul McCartney

Here we sit upon the bank
my hands are all a quiver.
I slowly undo her suspender belt
and her leg fell in the river.

hermykne, they met at a charity event! She didn't jump on the McCartney bandwagon - part of the attraction is that they were both very active in that area anyway. As for all the gibes about her leg, it really doesn't reveal the best in any of you - not that the whole Mill's bashing does as a whole. It's really despicable. So what if she's a bit irascible. Have none of you the capacity to imagine yourself in her situation, the things she's had to go through?

So what she doesn't fit a normal 'smiley' template for celebrities - we need more diversity there anyway. She's not an entertainer, she shouldn't be made to dance for our entertyainment.

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I had to choose whether or not to go for a amputation of DS's leg, or to commit him to years of very confronting bone lengthening surgery. Another MN has this year faced the same problem with her DH.

I am ashamed to acknowledge, actually, that one of the factors we took into account was that to certain people a prosthetic leg IS fair game for 'hilarious' jokes.

At least I know I wasn't having paranoid fantasies, but I do worry that the opinions of people with sick minds was something that I paid attention to.

Well said MonkeyT. I totally agree. The anti Heather bile is really nasty.

monkey trousers i think u got my point wrong, i never said she jumped on the pmc c band wagon, what i am saying is if what the press/people say about her is that she is a charlatan/fraud then hasnt she got her work cut out for her to keep up that facade, i repeat that is if she is a fraud, if she isnt and is genuine then she still has to continue her good work becuase she'll still get harangued for it. i am not making a personal comment on her at all.

Oh Blu :( I have been pretty horrified myself FWIW.

That's a shame Blu. You know I'm pretty sure Heather will have laughed at a few jokes about it too, just as disabled activists can make jokes about 'crips' and 'spastics'. There's a comedian with CP called Lawrence Clark who just does that. Yet still people like Jim Davidson ban disabled people from his shows so he can make jokes and laugh at their expense. They just aren't supposed to be in on the joke. That's the privilege of the abled bodied alone apparently.

Disabled people are still virtually invisible in our society and people like Heather Mill's have a bloody good right to be angry about it, as well as other things. It isn't that they don't want to go out and enjoy their lives. Think about it.

If she isn't a genuine what? Person with feelings?

Glad to see the voices of reason having their say!

i forgot all about her leg actually. I had a very bad road accident at 13, and it is a tremendous shock to the system. and she had a traumatic childhood too. People all have their own survival mechanisms. Maybe she won't take Paul to the cleaners , though her lawyers will probably try, that is what they do. Still feel sorry for the little girl.

Could I just point out that lawyers act on their clients' instructions? If her lawyers take him to the cleaners, it will because that is what she has instructed them to do. If they don't, it will because she doesn't want them to.

I think it's very wrong to assume that she should be above criticism because of her disability. There's absolutely no doubt that she has dealt with that admirably, and been a great role model for people in a similar situation, but it doesn't alter the fact that she still comes across as being fairly unpleasant. That there is such a widespread consensus on this-- not only on MN but amongst people who know her, have been involved with her in business and on a personal level in the past and journalists who have interviewed her would suggest that this isn't a myth. As I've said before I think most people react instinctively to a hardness and agression in her. Simple as that.

You're right, her disability doesn't make her above criticism, but that wasn't what I was saying. The level of criticism is excessive by anyone standards. The media will of course justify their behaviour, what's the maxim we all all for now, 'they wanted to be in the public eye so they can't complian when their privacy is invaded'? It's just a crap justification of a morally dubious industry.

They said similar about Linda before she got ill - thank god she didn't get better, eh? There'd have been hell to pay!

There's a widespread consensus that people want to dislike her, for whatever reason, she doesn't jump through hoops to be popular and she's awkward on camera so it looks like that makes her fair game - instead of being refreshingly down to earth.

I have people in my past, ex-boyfriends who will say I'm a cow for a bit for money and their 5 mins of fame too. And I know people who genuinely know her, not simply met her a few times. According to these people she's a fiesty lady with an outrageous sense of humour. But they're her friends so of course they'll say that. The press, or anyone here, doesn't seem interested in positive testimony though. They only want their prejudices confirmed. It's pathetic, sorry, but it is.

And I hope they get back together, like I'd hope for anyone.

You all think I'm her don't you?

I am a feisty geordie..well almost..wearsider

monkey i think my point has gone over yur head - a genuine person, listen i havent read any of the comments on her disability, i read the intiail few posts , then posted mine, and tbh if there are jokes about her disability or person then its below the belt imo, i have a very good friend in a wheelchair, but read my post again and see the pyschological point.
she s in a no win situation like all "celebs" . was the channel programme on her mentioned at all? i dont know, but it showed her to be out to get a nice lifestyle, so if she was, (not my opinion ) and now gets it from her ex husband, she cant fall off that pedestal of a do gooder? can she.
and i dont think you are her at all.

No, I appreciate your perspective, sorry if it's looked like I'm directing all my - insert word here - at you, I'm not. Sorry, I find myself defending Heather Mills a lot on there, and I don't even know her, all I do know is that I wouldn't want to be attacked like that so defend others who are. It's just THE golden rule: do onto others...it's the only moral constant we have..

do unto - sorry pedants!

Orlando,she doesn't come across to me as being unpleasant or aggressive. She comes across as someone who has had a pretty crap lot in life and who has tried to make a success of it. So a Beatle fell in love with her. So What? Does she deserve to be villified for that. She's in an untenable position of never being able to win. So PM fell in love with her so soon after Linda. That says more about him and the male species than it does about Heather.So Stella doesn't like her. could anyone tell? stella has a face like a smacked arse most of the time, I don't think I've ever seen her smile. SuzyWong says she encouraged someone to stub her cigarette out on Heathers leg at her wedding. if that is true ... Jesus, what the fuck does that say about Stella.

Mccartney was in such a mess after Linda died - remember he'd never had a day without her, he obviously didn't know how to function on his own. So when he found someone I was really glad. I don't think it was a bad thing, I think it was [probably a necessity if he was going to live through it. Poor man was poleaxed with grief. Heather helped him through that - how hard must that have been and to make a successful relationship out of it? What a bloody wonderful women!