Palestinian rocket killed bbc journalist's baby in Gaza

[Kungfutea]

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/12/palestinian-rocket-killed-baby-gaza

I thought this may be of interest considering how much exposure the original story (blaming Israel) got.

My posts are still there - have a read.

As far as I can see, bessie pointed out that you weren't telling the truth and that my posts were fair, balanced and reasonable.

You might not agree with her but that's surely not a reason to attack and insult her?

I know, thats why I called her a cheerleader ... no substance, no enlightening arguement!

Well you've not exactly provided substance or enlightening argument either. But I'm pretty sure I made a valid point, just not one that agrees with your stunted, limited version of the political situation in Israel.

I actually did find her comments substantive and enlightening.

But why is the fact that you didn't reason to be so rude and offensive? You implied that she has a low mental age because you don't find her comments substantive or enlightening! Quite the moral compass.

Still, at least this time you weren't racist in your quest to be nasty to posters who have opinions you don't like. Small mercies!

There seems to be a story everyday about israel's disgusting treatment of palestinians.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22003032

Holding a little under 200 without charge - great western government!

There may be no proof over claims about haiti organ harvesting, but its not a million miles away from another thruth is it. organ harvesting without permission from israelis and also palestinians, is not completely new to israel is it. Grafting palestinan skin onto israeli soldiers sounds delightful doesnt it - forget any sort of compass for morality.

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

Didnt create link.....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22003032

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

Thank you Galvanise for proving my point.

To deal with your first link.

To set matters straight, for the record, I would agree that holding people without charge isn't OK and I'd like to see Israel only do so in the most extreme situations. I do think the ability to do so for security reasons is used too frequently in Israel. There you go, criticism of Israel by an Israeli, who'd have thought?

But then again, it's not just Israel, is it? Ever heard of Guantanamo? And the British soldiers who gave prisoners to the Americans because of course the British couldn't do a thing like that. Is America not a western government?

As for the story of disgusting treatment. Did you read that article? The man died of CANCER! Which was being treated with chemotherapy! We're yet to see if there were any failings in getting him the treatment but let's see how the UK does with treating prisoners with cancer
www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/feb/05/prisons-ombudsman-dying-inmates-restrained

Heck, I think he probably got better care than prisoners in the US get!
www.scpr.org/news/2010/08/23/18344/prisoners-wife-talks-about-her-husbands-prison-can/

Do you not see the dissonance? A 64 year old heavy smoker who was receiving chemotherapy dies of cancer in one of the best Israeli hospitals and you're full of rage towards Israel?! Do you not know what else is going on in the world??? Your rabid anti-Israeliness has clearly reduced any sense of perspective.

Now, for the second link, trying to led credence to the blood libel claim that Israeli soldiers harvested organs in Haiti.

Two words for you: ALDER HEY

Have you ever heard of it? Yes, it's that hospital in England which, up until the 1990s, took body parts without families' consent.

Oh my goodness, you mean this happened in ENGLAND?

Yes, it did.

So, now, how would it sound if someone came up with a story that British soldiers were harvesting body organs from Afghani or Iraqi prisoners and then tried to lend credence to it by saying 'Well, it's not so far removed from the truth, after all, organ harvesting without permission is not completely new to England, is it?'

What tickles me a bit about this story is the fact that you know all the ins and outs of it yet don't seem to have any connection yourself to Israel. I lived in Israel when this story broke (it was a scandal just like the Alder Hey scandal) and yet I only remembered it when you brought it up. I wonder which Israel hating website must be trying to peddle this as a justification for the Haiti conspiracy? If I mentioned Alder Hey to any Israeli, the vast majority wouldn't have a clue what I was talking about, yet the obsession with everything that might go wrong in Israel by people who only wish to see bad things in Israel is disturbing and exactly what I was referring to earlier.

And that rather provocative end to the story about Palestinian skin being grafted onto Israeli soldiers...WTF? You must have a pretty sick mind to think up things like that. FYI, Jewish Israeli organs have been transplanted into Palestinian Israeli bodies. There is no religious or racial discrimination in organ transplants in Israel.

So what do you think about the other conspiracies then? Not so far from the truth either? Israel financing 4.2 million porn sites to corrupt Muslim youth? Jews controlling the judiciary and getting Lord Ahmed jailed because he's pro-Palestinian? Israel taking vidoes it doesn't like off youtube? I'm interested.

Let's find out the truth about the radical anti-Israel movement!

And two of my favourites are Mossad planting sharks off the Egyptian coast and the Saudis arresting a vulture as an israel spy.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12120259

I really don't know how you expect Israelis to take you seriously....

And just done a bit more reading about alder hey and abu kabir (the forensic pathology center in Israel), thought you might be interested galvanise. They really have a lot of similarities.

Both scandals happened at the same time although the alder hey one went back years. In both cases, tissues and organs were sold for research not for transplant. In the Abu kabir case, the autopsies were legal (either family consent or court order) but not the removal of tissue. The scale of the scandal was much much greater at alder hey with an estimated 845 bodies affected compared with 125 at Abu kabir. Possibly it's even worse as well at alder hey because you're talking about babies and children and also because it's suspected that it happened elsewhere in the NHS. They also kept aborted foetuses at alder hey.

Still, lets not let the truth get in the way of a nice little line about Israeli soldiers having Palestinian skin grafted on to them. Next thing you know, we'll be making lampshades out of them, what with gaza being the Warsaw ghetto and all that.

Btw galvanise, just want to correct a post you made earlier. You said the Palestinians only have stones for weapons. My friend who was killed wasn't blown up with stones. The teenages I know who were blown up weren't blown up with stones. The Palestinians aren't firing stones at sderot snd the whole south of israel. Iran isn't smuggling stones to Hamas.

I notice that cherie Blair didn't comment on how she understood suicide bombers' despair when four young British Muslims blew themselves up in the middle of London. Really, she should have been much more empathetic and understanding towards their hopelessness. Poor misunderstood darlings.

That?s better, im back on my computer now, so where were we ?
I am really not interested in getting into a school yard spat with you and your parrot but of course I understand why you would prefer to derail the conversation into the dirt road or better still stop it in its tracks by going back to the same topic ?anti-semitic--.

5 ? Israel vs Iran, is there much of a difference?

Lets look at crimes committed by both countries and see if there is a real difference between the two regimes.

Assassination of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh took place on 19 January 2010, According to initial reports, he was drugged, electrocuted and suffocated in a Dubai hotel room. His assassination attracted international attention as it was ordered by the Israeli government and carried out by Mossad agents holding fake or fraudulently obtained passports from several European countries and Australia. The photographs of 26 suspects, and the names they used, have been placed on Interpol's most-wanted list. Of the suspects, 12 carried British passports, six Irish, four French, one German, and four Australian. In March, Dubai police chief said, "I am now completely sure that it was Mossad", and went on to say "I have presented the (Dubai) prosecutor with a request for the arrest of (Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin) Netanyahu and the head of Mossad" for the assassination
On 23 March 2010, Britain's foreign secretary expelled an Israeli diplomat after the UK's Serious Organised Crime Agency turned up evidence that Israel had forged copies of British passports. On 24 May, the Australian government expelled an Israeli diplomat after concluding that there was "no doubt Israel was behind the forgery of four Australian passports" related to the assassination. Similar action was taken by Ireland. Israel has refused to comment on the accusations that its security forces were behind the assassination.

In the Mykonos restaurant assassinations Iranian-Kurdish opposition leaders Sadegh Sharafkandi, Fattah Abdoli, Homayoun Ardalan and their translator Nouri Dehkordi were assassinated at the Mykonos Greek restaurant in Berlin, Germany on 17 September 1992. In the Mykonos trial, the German court found Kazem Darabi, an Iranian who worked as a grocer in Berlin, and Lebanese Abbas Rhayel, guilty of murder and sentenced them to life in prison. Two other Lebanese, Youssef Amin and Mohamed Atris, were convicted of being accessories to murder. In its 10 April 1997 ruling, the court issued an international arrest warrant for Iranian intelligence minister Hojjat al-Islam Ali Fallahian after declaring that the assassination had been ordered by him with knowledge of supreme leader Ali Khamenei.

So both governments are in the habit of assassinating foreign opposition leaders in foreign soil and both heads of governments held responsible for such acts, difference is that one is more sophisticated and all 26 assassins managed to get away on EU passports but the other uses a greengrocer!

Of course you'd rather forget that you made racist comments.

But I'd still like an explanation.

And I see you're still being very rude.

Still no evidence for the YouTube conspiracy?

Mahmoud al mabhouh was a senior military commander in Hamas, a terrorist organisation responsible for the deaths of many Israelis. You didnt mention that, did you? Not a foreign opposition leader as you state in your post.

The us targets terrorists abroad as well. In fact, there's a lively debate here about whether it's legal to kill us citizens abroad.

Again, your desperate attempts to link Israel and Iran just show the depravity of the rabid anti Israel movement and yet again highlight your own ignorance of both Iranian and Israeli society and politics.

Hehe @ 'parrot'

mondrian you have been completely shown up in your argument, you should at least have the grace to acknowledge you were wrong.

kungfutea I have learnt a lot from your posts, thankyou

I was wondering where you were copying and pasting from, Mondrian.

So I had a look at Wikipedia. And I saw that you were copying and pasting from Wikipedia - but leaving out the bits of info that you don't like, like al mabhouh beng a terrorist and in Dubai to purchase arms from the Iranians.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Mabhouh

Talk about being intellectually dishonest! You've just been caught red-handed. Where's your integrity?

And here's the Mykonos one which you copied and pasted from
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykonos_restaurant_assassinations

So why did you leave out key information when copying and pasting about the Dubai assisination? How's your moral compass?

You should have asked .... and here is the link to the Mykonos assasination. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykonos_restaurant_assassinations
I didnt copy & paste the whole article just a short summary but if you want from now on i shall put the links down.

A short summary which conveniently left out the fact that al mabhouh was a Hamas terrorist in Dubai to purchase arms from gaza? Really? You didn't think that was a salient fact when you decided what to copy and paste?

So assassination of terrorists is ok then? I am sure Iranian government thought of Sadegh Sharafkandi as a terrorist too (look up the uprising of iranian kurds, many have died on both sides) .... actually I am sure they also think of high ranking Israeli officials as terrorists too since Iranian scientists are being assasinated one by one.

So basically, you're racist, intellectually dishonest, very rude and a conspiracy theorist. Charming!

Why don't you ask the Americans if assisination of terrorists is ok? It's a question many countries are grappling with.

But, yes, if al mabhouh's assisination prevented arms being smuggled from Iran to gaza and therefore saving both Israeli and Palestinian lives, I'm ok with it.

Is it acceptable for a government to assassinate someone they deem to be a terrorist?