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Oscar Pistorious Pt3

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bunchamunchycrunchycarrots · 22/02/2013 13:33

Hope no one else has started this.

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isithometime · 25/02/2013 10:14

what would you have charged him with then?

ps I am not saying he did not murder Reeva, I have no idea as I was not there

Animation · 25/02/2013 10:22

I'm not talking legal jargon. I'm talking about having NO sympathy for this guy because he very recklessly fired into a toilet - with no regard whatsoever for human life. He is not innocent of THAT - at the very least.

hellsbells76 · 25/02/2013 10:49

It's the word 'innocent' that sticks in the craw. He may be found not guilty of premeditated murder, but he's a long, long way from innocence.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub · 25/02/2013 13:19

isit, it may be that the bail hearing had to consider the "worst possible" charge (as bail considers public safety etc) - it might be that alternate "lower" charges could be brought at teh actual trial. But that's speculation, I'm not a lawyer nor in SA.

DonderandBlitzen · 25/02/2013 13:50

I was just coming on to say that it says in today's Metro newspaper that Reena's family are saying the police have told them that she had been bashed on the head with a cricket bat and that the family went to see her and could see terrible injuries to her head compatible with this. Was that completely fabricated by the Metro then?

isithometime · 25/02/2013 13:58

yes I think so because i think i read something from family that she looked like she was shot only, also police on the stand said there were no other injuries besides the bullets

But I suppose haing seen what else has gone on it is not beyond the realms of the possible for the (incompetent) police to have said this to the family that even if it wasnt true?

this is what I mean about dreadful, imagine some other scenario if you like, where you feel sympathy with the accused who you know to be innocent - and all this muck gets spread in the media with the assistance of the police , I just found it really shocking - I find it a shocking indictment of a western society in fact, whether the accused is guilty or innocent

DonderandBlitzen · 25/02/2013 14:40

Was the thing i read on mumsnet about a bloodied cricket bat being found there made up too? I suppose it must have been then. It is pretty shocking that so many rumours are flying round that are completely unsubstantiated. Must admit when I read the stuff about the cricket bat i couldn't work out how he could have been let out on bail if that were true. If it is made up then it does make more sense that he was let out on bail. Yes I agree that it would awful if you were innocent of something but all this made up stuff was being put out about you.

GothAnneGeddes · 25/02/2013 15:03

Donder that's not on the Metro site now. It's all very odd and extremely unpleasant. Sad

ChocHobNob · 25/02/2013 15:04

I'm surprised so many sites are still running with the story that she was beaten with a cricket bat when her brother has stated it is untrue.

tiredofwaitingforitalltochange · 25/02/2013 15:22

I'm obsessed with this case and find it's the first thing I think about when I wake up. I came on here expecting to find a chorus of 'hang the bastard': not so.

Despite myself, and the bizarreness of his story I find myself believing OP and feeling desperately sorry for him.

Not completely sure why, but

His story is bizarre, but the alternative(s) seem even stranger (going to bed and sleeping then waking up to have a murderous row, esp with no hint of problems in the relationship)

It's hard to believe someone would throw away such a fantastic life, so hard won

If it wasn't true I can't understand why he'd give such a detailed account that could be shattered so easily if forensics/ballistics etc don't fit

He looks so completely broken, doesn't he? It's awful to see.

And I also can't bear the idea of him going to prison. Obviously SA prisons are terrible. Because he's so handsome and successful its easy to forget that he's got a terrible disability. He looked so young in court, and so isolated :(

DonderandBlitzen · 25/02/2013 15:40

Goth. I often find that the Metro site doesn't have everything that is in the newspaper as I sometimes look stuff up that was in the paper and can't find it on the site.

When I read of OP's previous tweets saying he had thought that the washing machine noise was a burglar and had gone in on "full recon" mode lookign for the burglar, only for it to be the washing machine, it did make his story seem more believable.

Andro · 25/02/2013 15:42

DonderandBlitzen - there was a bat, but it was apparently used to break into the toilet, not to assault RS.

WormCanner · 25/02/2013 15:51

We've only got his word that they ever went to bed. I don't think he's told the truth about any of it. I wouldn't trust him further than I could throw him, nor the rest of his family.

mary21 · 25/02/2013 16:31

To be honest I have gone round and round in circles. Loads of things seem strange. And he is so engulfed in experts, lawyers,spokespeople, image experts ,people who drip feed the media stuff to corrupt our minds its hard to get a true idea.
The photo of Reeve arriving at his shows her in a back vest. Is this the same as she died in having been to bed. A gun for protect seems outside our norm in the Uk. A machine gun seems mad. Herbal remedy for tiredness OK but injectable herbal remedy. Odd. Did Reeva find it and question it. Did she threaten to report it?
We have heard he was moody, volatile, obsessive, insecure, a risk taker with a love of speed, His life has never been entirely normal ,no child born with a disability has an entirly normal life however much we as parents try to ensure the do.but since he was 17 its been extrodinary. He,s very rich he,s been deified. I
I agree he did look like a lost little boy in the dock. Well he has lost everything.
Part of me wonders if it was just him ,we would hear the truth. Whether he would burst into tears and say its all wrong. He lied he did kill her on purpose He flew into a rage but he never really meant to kill he at that moment he was just so angry. He thought she would leave him report him whatever.
But his experts aren't going to allow that. At the moment he is in their hands and their mill.
I want him to tell the truth and the whole truth whatever that may be and accept the outcome however horrific . He may then find peace with himself.

mary21 · 25/02/2013 16:36

I do also wonder if he has an undiagnosed mental health problem, possibly was in a manic phase, it was suggested by his girlfriend his behavior was not right and he should get help. He couldn't see it exploded lost control . And he has now flipped the other way. I gather the family have arranged for him to see a psyciatrist

PuffPants · 25/02/2013 16:43

Tbf Mary21, whilst some of his entourage are doubtlessly acting in their own interests, the rest are actually trying to keep him out of jail.

DreamsTurnToGoldDust · 25/02/2013 16:44

mary21, you are so right about him being at the hands of lawyers media advisors and all, it will now be a spectacle of the rich powerful legal minds that we see, he will be advised on how to look, act and will talk as a puppet using their words, the chances of the real OP saying what actually happened are probably nil.

JillJ72 · 25/02/2013 16:52

^ I agree, telling the truth is the least, the most, the best OP has to offer, to begin to enable the Steenkamp family - and himself and his own - to come to terms with what he has done... I really hope he is telling the truth.

'Losing it' per se isn't a crime; we're all human and I'm sure a lot of us will have firsthand experience of 'losing it'. It's what you do when you lose it, that is the issue. And the fallout of your actions. And being moody, volatile, etc, this too isn't unusual, but it's how you deal with it and what you do that is the issue.

Until the trial we can run through a multitude of scenarios, all equally as plausible and implausible.

I really hope OP is telling the truth.

Thisisaeuphemism · 25/02/2013 17:08

Once again, I am astonished by people's reaction to this -
He is a murderer.
If he is telling the truth then god forbid he has children who sneak up behind you, or if anyone walks down the street a bit close to him- someone this reckless and paranoid needs to be put away for everyone's sake.
I don't believe he is telling the truth - I can't believe the misconceptions that people still have about domestic abusers...just because heis handsome and rich doesn't mean he isn't violent.

MechanicalTheatre · 25/02/2013 17:14

I don't think he's not an abuser just because he's handsome and rich. That has nothing to do with it.

I just don't know what to think. I haven't seen anyone say "he's totally innocent and he shouldn't go to jail." I just see a lot of people wondering if he meant to do it or not.

RougePygmy · 25/02/2013 17:23

See, all the people feeling sorry for him, he either intended to kill Reeva or intended to kill someone else.

He was so paranoid about an intruder, that he left the bathroom window and patio doors open when he went to bed, and then, upon hearing this so called intruder, who had climbed into the open bathroom window, then went into the toilet for whatever reason shutting the door, instead of waking Reeva and getting out of the bedroom, bearing in mind the bathroom seems to have been down a small corridor within the bedroom, he goes to the bed, gets a gun, all without noticing Reeva is not there (it was dark, but not too dark to prevent him getting up and messing about with the patio doors and a fan, so a person could assume he had been awake for at least 5-10 mins so eyes had time to adjust) and walks toward this apparent danger(past the bedroom door and chance of escape", and then shoots through a door, into a small enclosed space.

He may well be "innocent" of intending to kill Reeva, but he is not innocent of intending to kill.

lowercase · 25/02/2013 17:24

According to a piece in the telegraph he was warned to 'back off' by Cecil Myers, Reevas friend and landlord.
The impression he got was that OP was impatient, moody.
Myers said OP bothered Reeva continually calling.
Can't link from my phone, but it's still on there.

On OPs site they have uploaded messages of support, just scanned briefly, one lunatic fan suggests that the people who don't believe OP are shitheads.

Why would they upload that?

Andro · 25/02/2013 17:26

He is a murderer.

He has taken a life; whether he's a murderer (by the definition set down in SA law), is still open to debate.

just because heis handsome and rich doesn't mean he isn't violent.

True, but by the same token they don't necessarily mean he is an abuser either.

Andro · 25/02/2013 17:29

Why would they upload that?

Maybe they didn't moderate thoroughly prior to uploading?

flippinada · 25/02/2013 17:41

You know, I a lot of people really don't want him to be guilty, for whatever reason.

However there's no disputing that he shot someone 4 times - hence the frantic search for plausible excuses. You can actually see people trying to talk themselves into believing it - look at the way his affadavit and the bail hearing was picked over and analysed on here.

People just don't want to believe he's a killer.