Oscar Pistorious Pt3

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Hope no one else has started this.

In his version, though, he didn't have his legs on.

I'm only speculating on whether his version is true or not.

The SA policeman, Botha, hes been totally incompetent throughout this investigation to the point that people have said that his mistakes may cost the trial. It just makes me think about the corruption that so many people from SA have mentioned, is there any possibility that..................?

His story is a load of old bollix and he's as guilty as sin. He thought his missus was enanrmored of another bloke and he lost it. Simple as that. Case closed.

'White Male Privilege'
Can we, for once not look at this as a feminist or race issue?
I was a huge fan of OP, and I'm glued to this thread.
But like everybody else I haven't got a clue what happened that night, and like all of us, we have to wait for the trial, when I think a lot more information will come out.
Meanwhile, he's got bail at the moment, but with the chance he'll spend half of his life in prison.
I hope he's just left alone by the press until he appears in court.

You forgot the MN approved Worm.

I dunno with this case to be honest. I stayed in SA for six months, I have friends there. Crime there is casual, daily and unimaginable for people in the UK. But it does seem odd that someone as paranoid as OP would sleep with balcony doors open. But again, he was on a gated estate. I know that I ended up infected with paranoia after a short time there, which was sharpened when I got shot at when I saw people break into a property. I felt a lot better when I (briefly) stayed with someone on a gated community.

I find OP's account implausible, but it's so implausible that it might just be true. People do react in strange ways when they're scared and feeling vulnerable. And I'd like to give praise to the Guardian who have devoted massive coverage to this under the headline 'Reeva Steenkamp murder', rather than 'Oscar Pistorius Case'.

Yes it is sonny, it stinks of it

oh worm,who needs a judicial system eh? you've got it all wrapped up!

I find his thought process incogitable. To make the immediate jump to an intruder and shooting does not make any sense regardless how of how violent a society SA is. You could be in a war zone and your first assumption would be that the person in the bathroom was the person who'd just been in the bed.

Moor than likely he didn't mean to kill her but I struggle to believe this claim that he didn't know it was her in the bathroom.

Going back to what Xenia said about how you can kill people in the UK and not get any custodial sentence at all, let alone a trial or even lose your job, it's completely true. Ask Mid-Staffs.

My guess is they had a row and she walked away from him, into the loo - to cool down or just end the fight and she probably did use the loo once she was in there. That angered him, he's outside shouting for her to come out, open the door etc then, in a fit of rage, he grabs his gun and shoots the door to get her to open it.

I don't think he wanted or intended to kill her but, clearly, his actions were reckless, dangerous and likely to result in tragedy.

I don't believe he is guilty of premeditated murder but culpable homicide, yes.

For me, the phones dropped on the bathroom floor are a red flag and point to a domestic incident.

My guess is they had a row and she walked away from him, into the loo - to cool down or just end the fight and she probably did use the loo once she was in there. That angered him, he's outside shouting for her to come out, open the door etc then, in a fit of rage, he grabs his gun and shoots the door to get her to open it.

That's how I imagine it too Puff. I think he's telling the truth when he said he didn't mean to kill her but his fear that there was an intruder so he got his gun and shot at a closed door is too outlandish and improbable for me. More like he's (rightly) terrified of a life sentence in a SA jail and will say what he needs to get out of a murder trial.

I worry though that I'm projecting because OP looks like my ex and he was a possessive angry man.

Actually, that's pretty much my take on it too Puff and Dyein, I think he shot at the door in a rage, but didn't mean to hit her.

I´ve been thinking that too, Puff.

That he happened to be on the balcony & therefore didn´t see/hear her go to the loo, therefore thought the sound was an intruder-just too much for me tbh.

That & the fact that on thinking it was an intruder, he did nothing to establish her whereabouts before blindly shooting into a small space.

What's the thing with the phones on the bathroom floor?

I agree, Puff. I doubt he intended to kill her - he probably shot the door out of fury. He may have assumed she was at the toilet end of the cubicle, but from where she was hit it shows she was standing behind the door.

Also, if his account is true, why didn't he stop when he heard Reeva scream? She must have done. The only way she wouldn't have screamed is if the first shot hit her head and she couldn't - but one of the shots went through her raised hand. This makes no sense - she wouldn't have been able to raise her hand if the first shot was into her head. The first shot must have have hit either her hip or arm - and she WOULD have screamed.

*That's obviously assuming the accounts given so far are correct - and we clearly can't rely on that, thanks to Botha.

Both of their phones were found on the bathmat in front of the shower, Bad - so it's likely that Reeva took her phone to the bathroom with her. Seems odd if she was just going for a wee.

Odd re the phones also. They apparently were not used to make any calls in the hours before the shooting, or after.
His defence will say he took his intending to phone police but the presence of the other phone? Given the balls up thus far thanks to Botha, who knows what to believe.

I'm guessing he could explain the phones thing by saying he ran back to the bedroom to phone for help, grabbed the first phone he saw, returned to the bathroom to call, realised it was hers (maybe with a number lock?) so went & got his own?

I don't know, just saying how that could be explained away. I think the phone logs, when they get them (DERRRRRR!) will be very telling.

The problem for the prosecution is that OP's version of events is merely strange and, unless they have evidence to prove he is lying (which they may well have by the trial but certainly didn't have this week) you can't convict someone on the basis that their story sounds unlikely.

Like locking the toilet door - just because you or I might never do that, doesn't mean it's beyond the realm of possibility that someone would.

I don't think anyone on the thread thinks everyone who shoot someone dead has committed an offence and most of us would not want that to be so.

Someone spiked the drink of Ben Fogle recently. Say he then went off and shot someone that would not be his fault. Or in your sleep you strange your husband or someone is shooting at you and you shoot at them or someone walks out in front of your car. Of course we don't think if you shoot dead you are always guilty of an offence. That would be ridiculous.

I want to see the texts the girlfriend sent but it certainly at the moment looks like an accident. Now of course it may not be self defence and it may be some kind of accidental death because perhaps he ought to have shouted out or checked the door but the trial will examine the evidence what is left of it after the police mistakes.

What was on the memory stick his brother recovered or wanted to recover?

I do think the phone and text records will help. If she were locked on the loo scared of him with her phone she would be texting her friends about it.

Did the first of the 4 shots kill her and how much time was there between each of the 4 shots? Why didn't he call an ambulance first rather than friends or relatives? Did he call for medical help before he moved her?
Do you wear shorts in bed if you 're in bed with a new lover you might marry?

Agree puff, almost so strange you couldn't make it up. Of course it may well be proven to be exactly that at trial.
What was with the memory sticks? OPs family took them or were wanting them out a safe?

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