Woman dies in Galway after being denied termination

[AThingInYourLife]

Holy evil pro-life bastards, batman

The wonder is it that there haven't been more

RIP Savita Halappanavar :(

'I know many different Christians- even liberals from URC, CofE, liberal Catholics, etc. who are pro-gay and pro-choice for example but they still believe there is only one God. They don't believe that there is "their" God for THEM, and a different "anti-choice, homophobic" God for people like me. In the same way, I believe they are wrong, and there isn't a "pro-abortion, gay accepting" God awaiting them when they die and "my" God awaiting me, but only one God. There is no element of extremism in deprecating the use of a personalising pronoun to describe God'

Atheism makes life so much simpler you know. Oh but what to do about my missing moral code???

'We respect other people without having to agree with all their beliefs or hold the ultra-postmodernist view that everyone has their own reality separate from anyone else's'

Oh we respect other people do we? DO WE? Respect their 'views' and 'beliefs' but not their right to life. Not if they are a woman.

'I am a woman with PTSD'

Are you sure about that Extro? Sure you're not just making it up to get out of stuff you don't want to do? Are you quite sure it's a 'valid reason' for feeling how you do?

I dont idolise anything extro so you are wrong there.

HAHAHA
Did I just see a pro-abortion person use the phrase RIGHT TO LIFE?

NATIONAL RIGHT TO LIFE. American group, sadly I'm in the UK. But if I move I am joining it. And guess what? It doesn't support abortion...

Only if your definition of "fun people" is the sexually promiscuous, racists, unbelievers and unrepentant foetus/baby/child/adult killers will the statement about fun people being excluded from Heaven be anywhere near true. Don't stoop to such nastiness...

You're the one promising eternal damnation to those who don't share your extreme right views sweetie pie. That's what I call nasty.

the "majority of Christians" are not idolaters

Another reason not to move to Ireland then, they're mad for the idolatory. Holy statues everywhere!

If you move? Please don't raise our hopes only to dash them.

Yeah, because if we stopped abortions due to mental health conditions - everything would be hunky-dory.

extro
" To insist that one's faith is true and that diametrically opposed views are not contradictorily true at the same time just because other people believe them is part of entirely mainstream faith"
That's very enlightened but I am sorry it is not what you have been saying all through. You have insisted that there is only The God, and no other god could ever exist.
You have insulted religions older than yours.
I find it offensive in the extreme.
I believe there may be no god, but at no point have I told you that you should not be free to believe in whatever you want to believe. You have essentially told me i am wrong and anyone who doesn't believe in what you believe is an idolater and will burn in the Eternal Garbage Bin blah blah.

I am not saying the women are making up mental illnesses, I am saying they are not sufficient reason to kill the unborn child growing inside them. I accept pregnant women, like any women, can suffer from mental illnesses.

It was you who brought up the "lying" trope which I did not even imply.

I think perhaps the thread is veering more towards a general religious debate and further away from Savita's case in particular and abortion law and medical treatment of women in Ireland in general.

Would it be rude to request that those preferring to discuss their faith / non faith beliefs in general move the discussion to another more appropriate part of the forum?

(meant politely to ensure focus of thread isn't pulled away)

So what's your solution Extro? Force them to continue a pregnancy against their will? Allow them to keep the child they are unable to care for? Take the child off of them as soon as they're born?

Don't even sit there and pretended that you give a shit about the health of women.

*Don't sit there and pretend

It is tiresome when people hijack a thread to further their own ideology. It's actually very crass and insensitive.

Agree, verylittle. We're near at 1,000 posts anyway.

what happened? what does the fact of a legal vacuum around termination + a strongly misogynist culture that fails to put women at the centre of decisions about their own care + a powerfully conservative social consensus on a small island to the West of the UK have to do with gay people or homosexuality? (how do you reconcile the notion that homosexuality is sinful with God's plan?)

I think it is time for me to leave (being a gay person with children who believes that every woman should have the right to make her own decision), but you might like to listen to the prevarication and obfuscation in this speech - notwithstanding the astonishing 'this is not a time for shrill voices' (eh? women? feminists? who can be meant!)
here

well said verylittle

Actually, mental health is a very good reason for abortions, especially as the most recent research shows the outcomes for women and their children who have been denied abortions is far worse than for women who have not been forced to give birth to unwanted children.

I am neither obsessed nor fixated but will defend my faith in strong terms when it is attacked as heavily as it is here.

And pro-life pro-family Christian views may sound bizarre to someone who believes in the secular/leftist consensus views of this country in 2012 but for the few million Brits who have rejected the spirit of the age for God's Spirit they are perfectly normal.

And I actually believe in better mental health treatment because I had to wait 30 weeks to see a consultant, which is way over the limit the NHS harps on about, and others have similar experience. I just don't believe killing an unborn child is a justifiable treatment and that the state should ban it to protect unborn life, NOT to control or marginalise women.

people still claiming I believe in eternal torment, and calling me extreme right-wing, both false

Let's see . . . . .

Example 1
No matter what you think is right or wrong, only ONE opinion will matter on Judgment Day, and it's not the opinion of "decadent" murderous "sex-positive feminists"

Example 2
Whoever said that "my god" with a lower-case G thinks abortion is murder, or who referred to God as an "imaginary being in the sky", will face reality of God at the final judgment

Example 3
All this lying "my" and "your" "god" trash will be kicked into the eternal garbage can on Judgment Day, by Jesus with the Father in the power of the Spirit, and there is nothing the anti-theists or the pomo "my truth is personal and different to your truth" liars can do about it.

And I actually believe in better mental health treatment because I had to wait 30 weeks to see a consultant, which is way over the limit the NHS harps on about, and others have similar experience. I just don't believe killing an unborn child is a justifiable treatment and that the state should ban it to protect unborn life, NOT to control or marginalise women.

Is this your opinion pulled out your arse or your MEDICAL OPINION WITH SUPPORTING FACTS

You are a doctor aren't you?

Yes, think Extro got their doctorate the same place Ian Paisley and Gillian McKeith got theirs'.