Woman dies in Galway after being denied termination

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Holy evil pro-life bastards, batman

The wonder is it that there haven't been more

RIP Savita Halappanavar :(

Cough, the question posed to extro was mentioned on another thread some time ago, that time her answer was something along the lines of how she doesnt believe in the use if ivf and othet fertility treatnents etc so the embryo shouldnt exist in the first place.

Have rarely come across such ignorance, rudeness and venom on web pages anywhere, as have been posted here, supposedly, in response to the senseless, needless death of a young woman.

If the posters of such vitriol are mothers then I hope they are not rearing their children by example. It is awful to see supposed grown-ups unable to exercise a modicum of self-control, never mind manners, in their posts.

Some of the pro- and anti-God squad need to cool it. Also some of the self-declared pro-Life and pro-Choice brigades.

Oh ffs, another irrelevant rant

Here, here verylittlecarrot.

Um, there might be a very good reason why those children need to speak to a trusted adult and not have that information shared. Those regulations are there to protect vulnerable children from their own families. Fuck you parental rights in this particular case - because you want to know what your child is doing, other, potentially abused or vulnerable, children should have their trust broken?

well said annatanner
I've never posted before today, and I've already been told I'm a delusional Catholic bitch who's a disgrace to the word feminist! Because I dared to support someone on the thread who was being bullied..
The death of this woman is a terrible, terrible tragedy -- sorry some of you seem to have lost sight of that in your rush to hate people who believe in God.

extro I am a member of a minority community and I can tell you that that you do not speak for me.
Policies in schools denying parents the right to know what their children are up to on serious moral issues such as sex have a DISCRIMINATORY effect on immigrant and ethnic minority communities, simple as that

No it is not as simple as that. NO.

Who is insane here? Bringing up slavery because the government stops a woman killing her unborn child? or does not pay a doctor to do it for her?

And that is equivalent to people being bought, sold, crammed like sardines into ships, branded, tortured, whipped, raped then victim-blamed as "insatiable niggers" and "mandingoes", worked to death or often murdered in the most sickening ways, and so on and on how?

That is one of the most offensive analogies I have ever seen used.

Also the "consenting adults" view of sex is not one I will ever subscribe to under any circumstances as it violates chastity. I am sick and tired of hearing the "anything goes between consenting adults" view, it is wrong and it will always be wrong, because I refuse to take part in the sexual revolution do not criticise me. The fact you think it's a bad thing to disagree with two women having sex with each other just shows how immoral you are. I believe in traditional, one man/one woman within marriage, sexual ethics. Deal with it.

All pregnancies carry non-zero risk to the mothers life. So how can you draw the line? At any point in the pregnancy someone could say my life is at added risk because of the pregnancy and therefore justify a termination.

I suppose you could say a defined medical phenomenon that substantially increases the risk of the mothers death over that of simply being pregnant.
Which could obviously include pre-eclampsia, missed /ongoing miscarriage, and undoubtedly many others....

You have a good point of course 5madthings. But at least this has a chance of being written into law whereas I think everyone is clear that true liberalisation of abortion would simply not pass with the Irish.

OnTheRoad, who is being bullied?

There's ways and means ICBINEG. They have reasonable doubt in murder cases and this generally seems to work in practise.

sorry some of you seem to have lost sight of that in your rush to hate people who believe in God.
What does god have to do with this thread? Almost everyone in my family believes in god. I have nothing against believers. But why try to ram your beliefs down OUR throats??? When god isn't germane to this topic.
This is about a woman and her medical treatment.

OnTheRoad

Stop lying and re-read the thread.

You can.believe what you like extro you cannot force other people to agree with you or to live their life according to a moral code you think is right according to your god.

OTR keep it up, just because other people go all-in for foeticide, sexual revolution and think God is only in the minds of those who believe in Him doesn't make them right.

Support from me extro'

And Zombies why are you attacking my attempt to oppose a racially biased discriminatory policy if you are in a minority?

ontheroad "I've already been told I'm a delusional Catholic bitch who's a disgrace to the word feminist!"

Nope I have checked and can't really find any mention of you at all tbh.

Can you list the post that contains those accusations?

5madthings- just stop saying "your god", it will never do any good.

extro because it is not racially discriminatory.

lebfg sorry what point are you referring to?

I don't think the answer in Ireland is to legislate for abortion "where the health of the mother is compromised". I really don't. Because that is up to individual interpretation - just as the law currently is, and it was interpreted wrongly in this case, sadly allowing someone to die.

It would be much better (and would be possible to get) abortion on demand up until a certain date of gestation. If all the pro-choice people would just backtrack a little and stop demanding abortion in all circumstances to term, and all the pro-lifers would backtrack a little and stop demanding no abortion at all, ever, a compromise could be reached that would help most people.

It would mean it would be easy to get the MAP and an early no-questions-asked abortion.

If the electorate couldn't be persuaded to allow later abortions, then those few affected could continue to travel.

It would not be a perfect solution. But it is the only solution which could be found short term. Taking into consideration how likely it is to get a yes vote.

Will never do any good? What good as in make you step back and rethink your rigious viewpoint and rantings? No probably not, mores the pity but it us your god in that you.choise to believe in it, i do not so.it isnt and never will be my god.

I don't hate people who believe in god. Far from it. I will defend your right to believe literally anything you want, as long as it does not impinge on the rights of others. You can believe the sky is green and moon is square if it helps you through the day, but I don't support your claimed right to start legislating people's morality based on those beliefs.

OTR I think anyone called you a bitch? I think we were merely pointing out that you must follow a rather different form of Catholicism than the rest of us are aware of. Maybe Catholic-Lite? To allow you to marry up those beliefs, with the supposed position of being a left wing feminist.

leBFG so you mean that if the doctor has reasonable doubt about the womans life really being in danger even though she is presenting with pre-eclampsia then s/he doesn't have to abort?

Or that If there is reasonable doubt that the woman may be in danger then there is leeway to abort? Either way it wouldn't solve the problem of doctors making different decisions on the ground based on the same evidence....

extro the interesting thing is that I don't believe parents' power should be taken away so completely.
But like everything else in life, there are conflicting interests and I recognise that.