Woman dies in Galway after being denied termination

[AThingInYourLife]

Holy evil pro-life bastards, batman

The wonder is it that there haven't been more

RIP Savita Halappanavar :(

Oh, and good question stillor.

I agree, let's not engage but... This???
the reason many fundamentalist Christians are on record against the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s is not so much their racism as the fact that bad as segregation, poll taxes to vote etc. were they remained the law of the land and so they held that black people who challenged them with civil disobedience were directly defying God through their actions
WTF!!
A dictator's wet dream.

I hope so ICBINEG

maryz I know...whatever would us atheists do without a god to tell us right from wrong? Well at least we aren't launching rockets or telling others what they can and can't do with their own bodies...so I figure we are ahead of the curve in the realm or morals.

Hah hah, yes the reason the pro-segregationist Christians in the South opposed the civil rights movement was they were concerned about laws being broken. Hah hah hah hah hah. You keep telling yourself that Extro.

extro I'm also waiting for you to answer still's question.

No matter how many times you speak personalistically about God you are still wrong. He is NOT "my god". I do NOT own God and God is not exclusive to me. Those who would deny the Christ use the "your god, my god" line on a regular basis but as I said it won't wash with me so just give up trying.

Are you seriously telling me I have nothing because I disbelieve in killing the unborn based on my Christian (non-UK law) view of what personhood is and what murder is? As I said when asked if I had children in a past thread over imprisoning a young sexually abusive murderer, I have five children to start with, none of whom I would have considered killing before they were born.

Good grief Zombies, I didn't wade that far into the stream of consciousness. Because lynching people and hanging them from trees wouldn't be considered civil disobedience?

But go on, do answer still's question. And remember, your beliefs forbid you from lying.

But he is your God, Extro. Unless you believe there is only one God, and that Jews, Muslims, other Christians and other religions worship the same God as you do? Or do you by any chance believe they are wrong and misguided and their God isn't the one and only God?

It's a bit confusing.

And in case you missed it, here is stillorsparkling's question, to which we would all like an answer:

Imagine you are in a room in a burning building. In the room with you is a 5 year old child and a small locked fridge, In the small locked fridge are two petri-dishes each containing one frozen embryo awaiting implantation. You can only save one. Which would you save?

Maybe we should all answer the question:

stillor I would save the child because the child is a living breathing human being. The embryo holds the components required for life but may never complete the process into life even if rescued and implanted. It has potential for life but the child is actually alive.

The amount of misinformation spread by Extro is concerning and actually offensive.

The black civil rights movement, as espoused by MLK, was non-violent protest within the law. There was nothing unlawful about engaging in sit-ins etc to change the law

The segregationists opposed these (by waterblasting them, lynchings etc) because they are racists. Not because they were concerned about the black people breaking the law, ffs. Indeed, sit-ins etc are protected under the US Constitution (freedom of association, expression etc).

But yes, these segregationists may have thought they were enforcing the will of G-d in the same delusional way the Extro thinks she is.

Everyone would save the child, surely.

And I will go one further - if they were my embryos, and someone else's child, I would still save the child.

Ok, and now we are on to homosexual sodomy

And you say you aren't homophobic.

postcards are a great idea as well as this from Sqoosh which bears repeating: On Saturday, a candlelit vigil for Savita is being organised by Galway Pro-Choice at 5pm in Eyre Square, Galway and Action On X is organising a candlelight vigil in Dublin at 4pm ?to grieve Savita?s unnecessary death? from the Garden of Remembrance to the Dáil.

Me too MaryZ.

I would save the child even if the child was female and the embryo male

And don't try to tell me everything the Black civil rights movement did was legal. Yes, most of the Jim Crow type laws they broke were found un-Constitutional by the Warren Supreme Court in the next ten years, but at the time they fought them, starting with Rosa Parks, they were violating laws still considered in effect. That doesn't even start with the more militant wing, who used all sorts of violent criminality.

As I said, I don't support their absolutist view of a divine right anyway.

I am not trying to tell you about church history. I am sure you know it better than I. But don't talk bullshit about the civil rights movement.

And, of course you are American.

I would save the child if the child were atheist and the embryo was religionist.

I would save the child if the child were religionist and the embryo atheist.

(yes it has a large genetic component so potentially you could tell if an embryo would be atheist or not)

Am currently reading 'The Handmaids Tale'. Extro could actually be the Commander's wife. The similarities are scary.

extro, can you answer the question please? Who would you save from a burning building, a 5yo child or a frozen embryo?

So hey ho. What does a bunch of segregationists from decades ago have anything to do with abortion or savita???

To answer the question, I would rescue the child even if the child was not in fact a child but was (gasp) a woman!