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Woman dies in Galway after being denied termination

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AThingInYourLife · 14/11/2012 07:07

Holy evil pro-life bastards, batman

The wonder is it that there haven't been more Angry

RIP Savita Halappanavar :(

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Extrospektiv · 15/11/2012 12:28

I am NOT actually mentally unbalanced and do exhibit Christian love.

I am more representative than Howard Moody, Debra W.Haffner, ex-profamily traitor Frank Schaeffer, Katharine Jefferts-Schori or any of the sellouts to postmodernism and sexual revolution. I am representative of the millions of Christians who are not compromised, who live by God's standards, not the godless standards of the 21st century. Because they accept that God's Word teaches mental separation (though not physical separation, as the Amish and some Plymouth Brethren practice) from sin and rejecting the views of the secular society they live in for the higher truths found in Faith.

I am proud to be unrepresentative of those who believe that Jesus did not really die for our sins and rise again for our justification, that "modern society" should decide how people behave and Christian faith has nothing much to do with it, and that Christianity is just one of many equally-valid paths to heaven to choose from depending on what's right for you.

Because those are not faithful Christians, and I prefer the fundamentalist movement to those any day of the week, although myself being in the middle of the two camps.

stillorsparkling · 15/11/2012 12:28

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ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 15/11/2012 12:28

ICBINEG, the faithful?

CrikeyOHare · 15/11/2012 12:30

Sorry for calling you an uneducated cretin. I am a bit TOO used to people like you spouting unscientific crap & I misunderstood what you said. I think.

But the homophobia, bigotry & threats of eternal damnation are disgusting enough & you are trying to derail a thread that's not actually about you.

ICBINEG · 15/11/2012 12:30

If there was a god, and if there was a hell, then the people in it would certainly include anyone firing rockets into anyone else's community and people who let women die for no medical reason whatsoever. But there is no god, and there is no hell.

One of the many annoying things about the lack of existence of heaven etc. is that all the people who think it does exist will never realise how wrong they are....as they will simply be dead and never realise anything again....

Narked · 15/11/2012 12:31

The post cards idea is indeed an excellent one.

Please, if you want a general debate on religion, whether there is a God, Christian views on gay marriage etc start one elsewhere.

ZombiesAreClammyDodgers · 15/11/2012 12:31

Well said still.

ICBINEG · 15/11/2012 12:32

hmmm faithful sounds to christian to me....but maybe thats just the context I have encountered it.

Also I am faithful in that I have never had an affair...but not a religionist. Oh and faithful might describe the people who have come to their own private and quiet understanding with their god and don't so much feel the need to kill others over it....

CrikeyOHare · 15/11/2012 12:33

Crikey to be fair to Extro I think she was saying that she doesn't believe the earth is 6000 years old

Yes. I saw that as soon as I pressed send - had a big "oooops" moment. To be fair, I have never been threatened with hell by someone who wasn't a YEC before. The two tend to go hand in hand.

LeBFG · 15/11/2012 12:34

KRITQ, I understood Cailin's point that the article sums up. She was also making another point about how we can't be certain that not aborting caused Savita's death.

There is the political side: about womens' rights to bodily autonomy. And the other side: about rights to health. Frankly, if narrow laws were made in Ireland meaning no other woman would suffer the was Savita did, then I would choose this.

It's more important to me that the health of some women like Savita is protected than Ireland legalising abortion.

ICBINEG · 15/11/2012 12:35

sorry what was the postcard idea?

squoosh · 15/11/2012 12:36

FannyFiferThu 15-Nov-12 09:58:24

There's a Facebook page called "postcards for Savita".

Everyone in Ireland has got or are being sent postcards which are for "The Gathering 2013" they are from the tourist board & government, a joint thing I think.

Anyway you are meant to post them to Irish friends & family abroad inviting then to visit Ireland next year.

People are posting them to the Taoiseach and their TD's in protest, with a message something along the lines of, " I am ashamed to invite anyone to visit Ireland, due to Savita, etc etc."

Thought this was a good simple idea.

ICBINEG · 15/11/2012 12:38

ahh I see.

Yes that does sound good.

chaya5738 · 15/11/2012 12:41

It pisses me off when pro-birthers/anti-choicers refer to themselves as "pro-family". I am pro-family too - so much so that I don't want anyone forcing someone else to be a member of my family.

How would you like it if I turned up at your doorstep and said "Here's Riley, a surly teenager who is going to be part of your family from now on. Please give him your food, money, health and sanity. Thank you" and then left?

AmberSocks · 15/11/2012 12:42

I wonder why they didnt do a termination?They are allowed to if the womans life is in danger,maybe theydidnt realise how bad she was going to get.

I dont think we should be too quick to blame the doctors,they are only followng the law after all.

Extrospektiv · 15/11/2012 12:43

God is real. I believe in eternal destruction of the damned rather than eternal torment as that is what I find that Scripture teaches and more consistent with the revealed character of our Creator.

Eternal torment has been used to justify an awful lot. If it was true that, say, people who believed the wrong thing about the substitutionary atonement would face an eternity in a resurrected body in a literal lake of fire, I could well understand publicly executing those who posited a different opinion as heretics; if they had the potential to lead others less knowledgeable than them to burn forever, it would be merciful to kill them before their views could spread. Also no punishment could be seen as too barbaric or extreme when government is ordained by a God of eternal torment. For centuries the church argument against every kind of plea for moderation of torture, inquisition and brutal public executions was that God punishes the majority of the world population with an eternity of indescribable torment, due to the infinite nature of sin, and it is this torturing God who gives governments their authority (which I believe is true, but that they have a duty to use that authority for good and not evil, and so Christians may disobey an unjust law without sinning- the reason many fundamentalist Christians are on record against the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s is not so much their racism as the fact that bad as segregation, poll taxes to vote etc. were they remained the law of the land and so they held that black people who challenged them with civil disobedience were directly defying God through their actions.)

And it is you who will realise you are wrong ICBINEG.

Whoever claimed morality is relative and derives from social consensus- no it doesn't. Morality comes from our duties to our Maker and to our fellow man as decreed by Him. Society has no right to override this because society is a grouping of mere sinners, not Almighty God.

AmberSocks · 15/11/2012 12:46

Go and spout your shit somewhere else please.

chaya5738 · 15/11/2012 12:47

You are a loon

ICBINEG · 15/11/2012 12:47

God is not real. You may believe otherwise if it gives you pleasure...

squoosh · 15/11/2012 12:47

Let's not engage.

EasilyBored · 15/11/2012 12:48

You believe a god exists. That doesn't make it true. Repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat.

Lottapianos · 15/11/2012 12:48

Extrospektiv, I'm crossing my fingers that you are actually a rather clever satirical creation and not a genuine poster

I don't have anything rude to say about your god but you do need to remember that it is your god you believe in. Your beliefs do not give you the right to dictate to other women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. If you are a woman, can you not see that without autonomy over our own bodies, we have nothing? Our lives are meaningless if they are not our own.

And by the way, an embryo is an embryo, a foetus is a foetus and a baby is a baby - please don't mix them up.

stillorsparkling · 15/11/2012 12:49

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ICBINEG · 15/11/2012 12:50

lotta yes I think you might be right.

MaryZezItsOnlyJustNovember · 15/11/2012 12:50

Oh, dear, that last paragraph is a bit worrying.

It means that if someone chooses to not believe in God they don't have to have any sort of a moral compass, which will lead to chaos.

I would rather people do the right thing because they believe it is right, not because they believe in and are frightened of some God (any sort of God, Christian, Islamic, Jewish, or strange lights in the sky).

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