Exposure, newsnight etc discussion part 2

[MrsjREwing]

Last thread full.

Steve has released a statement responding to Lord McAlpines statement.

Some tweeting needs to be sent to Steve, with that article showing 3 men were told by police the same name.

I really wouldn't be doing much tweeting.

There's more to this. He is not alone.

Apologies if this has been linked to before. I haven't time to read the whole thread.

This is an <a class="break-all" href="http://tna.europarchive.org/20040216040105/www.doh.gov.uk/lostincare/20154.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extract from the original inquiry. Paras 52.16 to 52.20 are the ones pertinent to the McAlpine business.

My reading of this is that the mistaken identity may be down to a journalist and not the police.

The whole thing stinks more than a two week dead fish. Did no-one else notice on the newsnight report, when they were referring to the person who headed up the original inquiry, they super imposed his picture onto a window of the care home?
That seemed a bit odd to me.

Don't waste too much time on the Waterhouse findings. The suppressed Jillings report is the one to read. Oh - we can't.

More than one name has been mentioned for many years. Yesterday was the tip of the iceberg in some ways.

An investigation of the various reports has been instigated. Let's hope that it's as effective as the hillsborough one. There are people that deserve justice and there are people that either need punishing or being cleared of the rumours.

The necessary information is not available to the general public at the moment

I thought the same, Clam.

Utterly harrowing interview with victim. So sad.
Thisis what we should not be losing sight of in all the Establishment contortions and navel gazing.

news.sky.com/story/1009280/care-home-abuse-victim-tells-of-sex-parties

And this article in th Telegraph from the redoubtable Eileen Fairweather says it all. I am so glad she is all over this in multiple papers.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9668284/I-do-not-doubt-men-in-smart-cars-preyed-on-boys-but-justice-requires-detective-work-not-hearsay-.html

It doesn't matter whether they were famous or not, it's to about finding a celebrity abuser news angle ie. Top Tory, Famous Pop Person.

It matters that they abused children.

It matters that they got away with it.

It's NOT about, sorry, not 'to'

From EF article

Liam suffered such trauma in care that he had a breakdown at 16, and his memories today are fragmented. He began telling people of the abuse in 1989, three years before the school was closed. His social worker was deeply concerned, and promised action. But on Christmas Eve 1989, he disappeared and Liam?s files disappeared with him.
I don?t imagine that he was buried in concrete. Many Islington social workers ?just? burned out, or were threatened or victimised and gave up. But the social worker?s disappearance meant Islington council could tell police investigating New Barns it had never sent children there.

How on earth can a social worker investigating these crimes just disappear on Xmas Eve without huge publicity or did i just miss it.

if an adult goes missing there's nothing to say it has to be investigated is there? unless there is evidence to suggest something sinister. not saying it shouldn't have been investigated but that they can easily say there was nothing to investigate.

So many good people destroyed by psychopaths, the psychopaths continue to harm and avoid justice in 2012

If i went missing i'd want someone to look for me especially if i was trying to expose wrong doing and promised action then pooooof i was gone.

We live in a far stranger world than i thought.

me too mrscrump but the law would have no obligation to look for me as far as i know.

MrsjREwing Sat 10-Nov-12 13:48:55
So many good people destroyed by psychopaths, the psychopaths continue to harm and avoid justice in 2012

Absolutely, the effects and impact on primary and secondary victims are incalculable.

Ive just watched that interview, there are no words for the evil that is inflicted on children.

It's strange because you would have expected SM to have looked at pictures of LM on-line over the years.

One would expect that teenage boys would have no idea which men they were with. How could they? Real names would not have been used. They would know who from their care homes were involved but why would they know the names of the men?

We need to give children in care (and indeed all children) much more confidence to report things, perhaps websites to upload things, children to be told in school if even your parents smack you report it. Only when it becomes unacceptable even to slap a child will things be likely to improve. Far too many parents day in day out slap and smack children never mind all these other things. Most abusers are known to chidlren and indeed a relative, not strangers.

Perhaps SM did not look online. Many people take the internet for granted, but it's relatively new, and perhaps he has not exactly had a mainstream life.

Perhaps. Either he did not happen to look or he didn't really home in on exactly who it was but was happy to be pulled along the stream of rumour or thirdly he was told to shut up and apologise or else. I don't believe the latter.

Also how on earth is a picture nowadays of LM who is ill and 70 going to tell SM if someone abused him 25 years ago or whenever it was? How would he remember and secondly it would have to be a picture from 25 years ago although they are not that hard to find on line. Also if you were abused by someone you probably don't want to spend the next 20 years looking them up on line and being reminded of who they are so that's another explanation for not looking.

LM was very gracious and good to SM in his own statement and SM has been much the same back - they both come over as very decent people.

Just in case anyone hasnt read this yet from Nick Davies and somehow doubts the level of collusion and corrupt system we are living in i thought i would post it up.

From the Guardian 1997.

www.nickdavies.net/1997/10/01/secrecy-imposed-on-the-exposure-of-alleged-child-abuse-news-and-feature/

www.nickdavies.net/1997/10/01/secrecy-imposed-on-the-exposure-of-alleged-child-abuse-news-and-feature/

The son of the peer who made the admission was always the interesting one to me. If you have an admission and the victim is prepared to give evidence - that is usually enough to go on.

However exposing names of people not convicted is rarely fair particularly in this sort of case.

Xenia "I don't believe the latter." I do.