Exposure, newsnight etc discussion part 2

[MrsjREwing]

Last thread full.

Steve has released a statement responding to Lord McAlpines statement.

[AnyaKnowIt]

Mrcrumpswife - I was just thinking the same

[Pagwatch]

Mrcrumpswfe

Have you read the mistaken identity article?

He may well have given the 'right' name but named the wrong man.

It's not an oops, wrong name situation.

[Mrcrumpswife]

have you got a link Pag?

[hiddenhome]

There was an old article linked on MN about three weeks ago which named McAlpine, before all this naming business came about. It was one of those conspiracy theory websites which are now being noticed as their content seems to be spookily accurate.

[member]

www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/11/09/steve-messham-statement-2/

[Pagwatch]

here

The relevant bit read along the lines 'another member of the MacAlpine family who lives locally may have been mistaken for Lord MacAlpine'

The idea that it is a complicated Tory conspiracy is rattled slightly by the fact that the police see to have stitched up a 'prominent member of the Tory Party' and let off a local man with the same family name - and who had died at the time Steve Messham gave evidence that his abuser was dead

[member]

www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/11/09/steve-messham-statement-2/

[Pagwatch]

Hiddenhome

If it named lord MacAlpine then it wasn't accurate.

[hiddenhome]

Okay

[Pagwatch]

[Mrcrumpswife]

I saw that article earlier but surely if it was another McAlpine, especially one who is no longer alive then it would have been far simpler to just lump it on yet another deceased abuser.

This doesnt answer anything really it just creates a whole set of even more confusing questions.

Maybe the police kept SM in the background for years as a patsy in case they ever needed to discredit the whole story of abuse. JS has thrown it all up in the air.

Now i sound like a ridiculous conspiracy theorist..

I hope Steve has a good family and friends supporting him right now

[Pagwatch]

Yes. I'm sorry but that does sound like ridiculous conspiracy theory IMO.

I think they fucked up the investigation. I think they were sloppy and uninterested.
I think the 'Tory conspiracy' theories are massively undermining any chance of a full and reasonable enquiry.

[hiddenhome]

I hope not. I hope someone manages to unravel all this mess.

[claig]

There was a guest on Newsnight the other night saying that the lat enquiry was a good one and that there is no need for another one.

[Mrcrumpswife]

i will accept you agreeing with my madness!

I dont think we will ever get any honest answers and that makes me sad and angry.

[Pagwatch]

And...
Steve Mesham may well be at the start of a process which confirms and acknowledges his abuse by a man who died several years ago.

I am astounded that so many people are acting as if the fact that his abuser wasn't a prominent Tory, means that it is irreverent and investigation might stop as the 'story' is over.

[Pagwatch]

at mrcrump

[claig]

Has a photo of this man who died several years ago been shown to Steve Messham? Will this be investiagted further?

[Pagwatch]

If all else fails, I expect it might get investigated when Lord MacAlpine sues the fuck out of lots of people

[tiredemma]

I feel so desperately sad for Steven Measham. You only have to look at his eyes to see that he's haunted by his childhood experiences. I hope he is ok. Any investigation MUST continue. Something smells fishy to me. As if some kind of 'distraction' is going on.

[MadameDefarge]

i would very much like to hear what william hague has to say. his silence is deafening.

[Mrcrumpswife]

I dont think Lord McAlpine will sue anyone other than Newsnight, who will then make an out of court settlement of an undisclosed amount.

Its a sick game that they are winning. We are no longer asking who handed over the keys to savile for Broadmoor, who let him have access to children in carehomes and what hospitals allowed him access to very sick children.

First round to the Establishment.

[VivaLeBeaver]

But if Newsnight didn't name him then can he sue? Can't NN just say they weren't talking about him???

[Mrcrumpswife]

I hope they can Viva but i'm not sure if it will be that easy.

Tom Watson started the ball rolling by asking the question in PMQs and then stating he wasnt referring to Morrison.

We still dont know who he was referring to and its all been forgotten in this part of the alleged cover up.

[Darkesteyes]

Mr Crumpswife i think the questions that seem to have stopped being asked might start to be asked again soon.
I saw a tweet from Mark Williams Thomas that said the second Exposure prog about Savile is going out on Weds 21st November.