Exposure, newsnight etc discussion part 2

[MrsjREwing]

Last thread full.

Steve has released a statement responding to Lord McAlpines statement.

[swallowedAfly]

however you can already see the smear coming and the cover up tips - it won't be long before those who believe in paedophile rings have their own special 'loony conspiracy theorist' labels attached to them. even on these threads i've felt a change and individuals trying to turn that tide.

[MrsjREwing]

Mark Williams-Thomas is very right, Steve is let down time and time again, care, care home, police, investigation, newsnight.

The poor man keeps trying to show the truth and gets kicked in the teeth, he is so vulnerable poor man, it wasn't his fail police told him the wrong name and nn didn't check.

[MrsjREwing]

BBC dkrector general on BBC1 will be on in a few minutes, BBC don't give a shit about Steve, they are navel gazing again.

[swallowedAfly]

i don't see him as vulnerable - i mean i know logically that he is and he's up against the walls of the establishment and has suffered horrendous abuse but i don't see him as vulnerable, victim. he comes across as someone very strong and courageous to stand up against this. i'm wary of all the poor, poor man stuff.

he was certainly a very vulnerable boy and that boy will always be with him ime but i see great strength in him and i believe he can handle this and probably has to handle it. some people cannot live with lies and pretense and hiding you know? better to fight and go through all that comes with it than be complicit in the silence. i see him as one of those. i totally understand those who don't feel able or willing to stand up though - absolutely understandable. grateful though for those who do.

lots of us who have suffered abuse as children go on to be very strong, brave people not through some miracle of overcoming but.... just because that's who we are despite having had some shit stuff happen. sorry probably waffling at this stage.

[MrsjREwing]

I read that due to his experiences as a child, understandably as an adult he has had electric shock treatment, been on medication, that to me is a vulnerable man. It wouldn't surprise me if some in mh services have harmed him too.

Director general is a cock who wouldn't even apologise to Steve when Louise asked him, he said Steve got out of nn what he wanted as a response.

[swallowedAfly]

maybe but then there's also a point where there's not a lot more they can do to you and you're still standing. there can be a lot of strength in that place.

[MrsCurly]

@Mrscumprswife
The Firm Online is an online magazine written by Scottish lawyers.

In his BBC interview yesterday Steve Hewlett suggested the allegations about Lord McAlpine had been looked at by the BBC before but not broadcast as they could not be proven.

My understanding of the tweets you have copied out is that other journalists in the BBC were questioning the authenticity of the Newsnight story.

[Abra1d]

I hope that Sally Bercow is ashamed of her insinuating tweets this week. She all but named Lord M too. I hope she is sued, too.

This is devastating for anyone to be accused of. Some here seem to be incapable of understanding how awful it is for him and his wife. Imagine if it were your father, uncle or husband.

[NigellasGuest]

Two things: who misled Steven Messham and was it on purpose?
And who abused the children then?

[Feenie]

I still think Steven Messham has been scared off.

[CFSKate]

Eileen Fairweather writes in the Telegraph

[FatTuesday]

I find it really difficult to believe that Stephen Messham hasn't seen a picture of Lord McAlpine in the last 30 years and realised that he wasn't his abuser much sooner than when Newsnight reported it? Are we expected to believe that today was the first time in thirty years that he has been shown a picture of his alleged abuser? This story is full of holes.

[Feenie]

Exactly.

[tiredemma]

my thoughts also.

and Im so annoyed and angry that all this BBC shit now deflects from the very facts that boys were abused and that it has been consistently covered up.

this is all so wrong.

[FatTuesday]

Exactly. I guess this will all be spun and pushed back under the carpet again. Very sad.

[swallowedAfly]

they can't push it under the carpet if enough of us know and keep talking about it - though they can twist the tide to make us conspiracy theorists, sensationalists, having partisan agendas etc etc.

i don't give a damn what party they're in. power houses are corrupt and use that corrupt power to get away with all manner of things and avoid justice. that has to stop. whether it is abusing children (at the truly horrendous end) or fiddling their expenses and committing fraud and getting away with resigning rather than criminal charges. we need high profile prosecutions to get the message across that power will not protect you from justice. the trouble being that it is those in power who would have to enforce this and are invested in the protection of power themselves

nightmare really and as old as the hills.

[swallowedAfly]

and i would add to that list banks being immune to the consequences of their own actions whilst we pay the price.

all of these things are accumulating you know? much of it is easy to sweep away because it's just about money, class, 'economics' etc. the abuse of children is a step too far though even for the most apathetic. but it is part of the same spectrum of immunity of power that needs to be smashed.

[FatTuesday]

I really hope you are right!

[Mrcrumpswife]

I thought i had read somewhere that 3 separate victims had identified the same high profile man. One went missing, one died and the other was SM.

I have read so much i cant remember where i saw it.

I am off to have look.

[Mrcrumpswife]

I found a link that says another victim named the same man.

SM also remembers the police officer who dismissed his claims.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tory-politician-at-centre-of-childrens-homes-abuse-claims-8278146.html

It really does get confusing.

[Mrcrumpswife]

Found it

So it wasnt one victim who named the wrong man, it was 3.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-scandal-three-victims-name-1416158

[hackmum]

One of the golden rules of journalism is "Never rely on a single source." Yet Newsnight appears to have done just that. They ditched the Savile investigation because they didn't have enough evidence ("only the women") but seem to have thrown caution to the winds when it came McAlpine.

Did anyone else hear John Humphrys interview George Entwhistle this morning? The man seems to have no idea of what is happening in his own organisation. He needs to get a grip sharpish.

[Jins]

Imagine that you were abused in the 70's and 80's by someone and that you were told the name of this person.

Would you wait to be shown a picture by a journalist? Steve Messham is a bright, capable man and he's been supported by solicitors. Do you believe that nobody has ever shown him a picture of someone that he has named or that he has not looked him up in the intervening years?

There has been a very strong denial and an apology. That will probably be the end of this line of investigation.

[Mrcrumpswife]

There has been a very strong denial and an apology. That will probably be the end of this line of investigation.

That is exactly what i fear with the added threat of those abused no longer willing to come forward.