Exposure, newsnight etc discussion part 2

[MrsjREwing]

Last thread full.

Steve has released a statement responding to Lord McAlpines statement.

Why the focus on doctors researching paedophilia? There are other disciplines which are probably more relevant - psychology, for one. He's implying or assuming that the 'cause' of aberrant sexual activity is medical, ie physical, whereas it almost certainly isn't, is it?

Badly thought out piece, I think.

I think it is even more important than investigating the post to get into the real causes of why some people seem to be made this way. We may even be able to tweak their genes at birth or do something in utero to breed it out or whatever. It is very important to look at it.

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/25/ignorance-harming-efforts-tackle-paedophilia The article is good.

Are people who download child abuse images likely to perform actual paedophilic acts? If breastfeeding arouses erotic sensations in a mother, is she a paedophile?

What a load of old shit.

Sorry, as in lazy journalism shit.

God, Xenia, I am always seemingly disagreeing with you, but thank you for the link and your tough skin is amazing.

I have never ever accepted that if people view material that means they are in real life an offender. I might like to watch films about hunting but that does not make me a hunter. There is no good evidence to prove the link at all. I will be in a minority of 1 on here on that.

I would expect about 80% of musmnetters husbands watch porn on line but I doubt they are out every night in twosomes with 18 year old twins.

Anyway we all have common cause which is to protect children and both by taking the practical steps and prosecutions now being taken but also looking into root cause we will work towards the same end.

If there were a way genetically to test unborn babies to find out if they might be child abusers I wonder how many mumsnetters would abort the child?

So snuff movies then Xenia the people who make them, distribute them, watch them, pay for them, create a demand for them.

The only person guilty is the person who sniffs out life?

So snuff movies then Xenia the people who make them, distribute them, watch them, pay for them, create a demand for them. procure the victims

The only person guilty is the person who snuffs out life?

If no one is harmed it is fine. I can see no advantage in debating this here as people have very different and strong views on these issues.

in child pornography of course someone is harmed ffs.

Xania If no one points out that your arguments are flawed then they will stand as if it is agreed.
I would hate for a journo to come onthis site and use your statements as a basis of what most people think on mumsnet as from the rebuttals you have had throughout these threads shows the majority violently disagree with your views.
I even posted some research that said that it is the child abuse that changes brain patterns not that people are born child abusers.

m.bbc.co.uk/news/health-20499664

Charities say the NHS needs a greater sense of urgency in its investigations into how Jimmy Savile was given extensive access to hospital premises.

The health service is setting up four investigations following allegations of abuse by Savile but it could be up to a year before they publish their reports.
Christ a year?

beforeitsnews.com/eu/2012/11/child-sex-rings-reveal-the-worst-of-the-power-elite-2461596.html?currentSplittedPage=1

Linking links to greater things and higher people

beforeitsnews.com/eu/2012/11/child-sex-rings-reveal-the-worst-of-the-power-elite-2461596.html?currentSplittedPage=1

My views are not too different from most people - that I want to stamp out child abuse. I think looking into the causes is very important and I think we don't do enough of that. I don't think that's a very controversial step. Indeed arguably you stop it better by looking at cause than just intervening later. The issue of whether material in which no one is harmed of all kinds of types causes people to do things they ought not is not really a topic for this thread. I imagine just about everyone in England except for me has watched the latest James Bond and has not rushed home to engage in shootings.

I agree with some of what Xenia says, in that I think just saying "paedophiles are evil" doesn't get you very far, you have to look at the root causes and how you address them.

But the linked article says that the majority of people who engage in paedophilic behaviour as adults have themselves been abused as children, which I think is slightly different from Xenia's view which, if I'm correct, is that paedophilic leanings are innate rather than acquired.

It is not an awakening that should produce fear and paranoia, but rather an admission that we are much better, and more capable of directing the course of our lives and communities than those who have been officially charged with the task.

This.

Looking at causes is good. If most of those abused were abused then that suggested either (a) it definitely is genetic if the abuser were a blood relative so let us look at that, look at gene therapy, testing in the womb etc or (b) environment.

To study (a) you would compare children abused by third parties and those abused by a parent in the various combinations.

Patten being questioned live now by a committee

news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_commons/newsid_8167000/8167511.stm

There were good questions by Tory MP Philip Davies, but now it seems to have moved on to on to how great an institution the BBC is, how it operates pay "at a discount to the market" and how staff are "getting on with it" and how they enjoy their jobs. Hopefully it will get better again.

Tim Davie says "we have been let down by a bad journalistic error" over the Newsnight programme. The error let them down. What will happen to the error?

Tim Davie says "we need to be slighly more humble".
There's a lot of smiling, management speak, lauding of a great institution, talk of robustness, discounts to the market, great output and trust, rescoping, but real humility seems slight.

A bit fucking late now

news.sky.com/story/1017323/sir-cyril-smith-young-boys-were-abused

I'm just watching it on the news Anya. I couldnt agree more, its a bit fucking late now.

They are going to wait for all those that abused the children to drop dead before they do anything and then come out with some pathetic acknowledgement to the victims and apologise for opportunities that have been missed

This whole thing just gets worse.

Have you seen that certain MPs and public figures are getting google to remove pages and pictures. Google are putting messages on the bottom of the search screen to say how many items have been removed. Anyone would think these people had something to hide.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213621/Claire-McAlpine-A-15-year-old-killed-leaving-diary-naming-DJs-abusers-Disturbing-questions-John-Peel-So-starts-WERE-involved.html#ixzz28V7BHaEC

It's from a boy ago but I have only just found it.
A written diary was dismissed as fantasy. Crikey some one must have known what was going on. The police have a lot to answer for.

A story not a boy .
Sorry