Exposure, newsnight etc discussion part 2

[MrsjREwing]

Last thread full.

Steve has released a statement responding to Lord McAlpines statement.

Tips i just read the guardian link you posted. I listened to the one of the recordings and it is truly disgusting.

Of course it could be a lot cheaper if we just paid for those who must be put in care to go to boarding school . Was it Adonis who wrote about that this week in the Times and was sent to a state boarding school as a boy?

Xenia I sort of agree with that but then again we would be signposting yet another generation of children to paedophiles. The system has be proven to fail time and time again and for those wanting to abuse vulnerable children its a perfect access point if they are all in one place and potentially isolated in a boarding school away from the real world. I really dont know what the answers are but until people in power admit they failed and then look at how badly they failed there is no chance of this ever being sorted out.

Winterbourne Care home is a prime example where a whistle blower was desperately trying to get help from higher authority yet they refused to listen. Thankgod for secret filming because those very vulnerable people would still be living that nightmare.

When are they going to make those in authority personally accountable? It might make them take their role more seriously if criminal procedures were taken without question when massive failures are identified.

Is there any news on Leah McGrath [Goodman] being allowed into Jersey yet?
AFAIK she has just applied for another visa. If she hadn't she will be doing today, but I think she did it yesterday.

the article about neville husband's long term sadistic abuse and the repeated blind eye's turned to it is horrific

xenia many of the men in these cases are married. it is NOT true that men who rape young boys and girls do so because they are only attracted to them not adults. i don't know why you wish to propagate that idea. people who sexually and violently abuse teenagers in vulnerable situations are not weird little men in raincoats. it's utter mythology you are spouting that hides the fact that these are often married, successful, seemingly normal men who have a sadistic side that gets off on abusing the vulnerable. they are entirely different from the so called paedophiles who are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children.

I am stunned by the very public runaround a journalist has been given to enter a tiny country with apparently nothing to hide.

This sounds like a step forward, fingers crossed for her, and the people of Jersey, especially the bloggers who must be so frustrated.

Lots of people are following Stuart Syvrets blog, even my Mum aged 66 asks how he is doing and what is happening

they don't pick people they are sexually attracted to and try to seduce them in these cases - they pick whoever is most vulnerable, whoever they can get away with it with hence kids from care being targets because no parent was going to visit them in prison for example. they pick compliance. they often pass their victims around - again not something you do with people you feel genuine sexual love towards etc. it's not about sexuality it's about sadism.

is it just me who finds this obvious?

they don't pick people they are sexually attracted to and try to seduce them in these cases - they pick whoever is most vulnerable, whoever they can get away with it with hence kids from care being targets because no parent was going to visit them in prison for example. they pick compliance. they often pass their victims around - again not something you do with people you feel genuine sexual love towards etc. it's not about sexuality it's about sadism.

I couldnt agree more. It has been highlighted by the accounts those in care have already given. Those who fought back and were non compliant were not deemed worthy of extra trips to London because they wouldnt give what was expected in return. The ones who had nothing were grateful for any crumb thrown to them. This was highlighted in the sky interview with a victim which was distressing to watch.

It's not just you. I think it is blatantly obvious that this has little to do with sexuality - nothing at all, in fact - but is all about power and humiliation.

they don't pick people they are sexually attracted to and try to seduce them in these cases - they pick whoever is most vulnerable, whoever they can get away with it with hence kids from care being targets because no parent was going to visit them in prison for example. they pick compliance. they often pass their victims around - again not something you do with people you feel genuine sexual love towards etc. it's not about sexuality it's about sadism

I agree & what Mrcrumps said. I'd say that nameswinger1 is on the button as to why her dh wasn't as vulnerable although he was in Borstal; he was physically statuesque.

I cannot see that State Boarding schools are likely to be any different from care homes/approved schools just because they are called a different name

Many / most state boarding schools are day schools attended by children from the local community which also have a boarding element they often have good academic reputations as well e.g. Hockrill and Cranbrook . Some of the children who board will be forces children or children whose parents are abroad so the LAC children wouldn't be the only boarders there and they would be part of a much wider community of children. Arguably they would be safer in that more mixed environment as they wouldn't be so isolated.

This is one of the best known state boarding schools - they already exist so we are not talking about a new provision just for LAC.

www.hockerill.herts.sch.uk/

Thanks for the info Chaz. Unless the whole spectre of child abuse continues to be a talking point & people brought to task over committing offences, then I'm afraid that vulnerable kids will still be targets in institutional settings with the less vulnerable just thankful that it isn't them.

the thing is though people paying for boarding school education are paying for exclusivity aren't they? a way to control who their children associate with and what influences are brought to bear on them. they're avoiding state comprehensive (re: everyone) education. would they pay those fees to send their children to school with looked after children?

State boarding schools are free to day pupils and boarding pupils only pay living expenses. They are state schools not private.

Hockerill is a comprehensive. Cranbrook is a grammar.

Paying for exclusivity? Really?
Not in favour of that type of education or out of the country a lot?

I think it is brilliant people like Bunglie do go on the record.

It is also actually pretty good that the lawyers at the programme etc did require lots of verification as without that we have innocent people wrongly exposed. It is hard to get the right balance between proper consideration and closure for those who were harmed and avoiding witch hunts with people randomly named without proper evidence.

Why did so many know and not say anything? I don't know. I think we all have a moral responsibility to intervene when things are wrong. I try to even if it would feel personally easier to pass on by and do nothing.

bunglieAs awful as your experience has been, you are in fact a brave, true hero for exposing that man. You have contributed to many other survivors coming forward and many perpetrators shitting themselves.
I think we need to be 'pests' on this subject and not allow it tol leave the public arena again but I also understand that it must be a nightmare for the survivors to hear the debates, spin and have to relive their experiences. It takes a strong person to follow this through and you are obviously one of them.

I do know a lot more than was shown but I have kept my silence and not spoken to anyone

Just curious if you actually told the the programme makers involved in ITV expose or chose not to tell them at all.

Thanks for posting on here Bunglie. I think you are a very brave person and what happened to you and others was horrific.
I am very angry with the hatchet job certain sections of the media have done on the survivors who have come forward.
The people who make derogatory comments about you and the other survivors are either idiots or rape apologists.
You wouldnt blame the victim of a burglary or mugging so why the bloody hell do the media and some sections of society blame the victims of sex crimes. Makes me Im sorry for what youve been through Bunglie before and since.

Bunglie, the people who said nasty things about the exposure girls are not worth worrying about, they sound nieve and not very bright emotiinallyto me. I think you were brave. I think you did the right thing to take a step back from the spotlight. Have any exposure ladies been in touch with Steve?

Bunglie, i can only say the same as others have. What you have done is very courageous and i hope this forces a step in the right direction to bring to justice those alive who committed these horrific abuses and for those that have died, ensure that history is rewritten correctly.

MrsJREwing i saw the tweets from Steve last night, i hope he is getting support. The way he has been treated is shocking in some respects but not surprising in others.