Charlie Hebdo

[CogitoErgoSometimes]

Charlie Hebdo publishes satirical cartoons

No-one catch this little gem? The mag in question has a long track record for publishing offensive satirical cartoons featuring religious and other figures and decided to give the prophet Mohammed the same treatment this week, depicting him in the buff. On the one hand they're showing no fear or favour and it's a noble stand for free speech, on the other you can't help wondering if they haven't just poked an already angry dog with a very big stick.

Really wishing I wasn't a Brit whenever I encounter mass ignorance in people who ought to know better. You cannot learn why what I am saying is correct. It is about awakening and self ascension.

I wouldn't agree with the notion that this is a small minority at all:

There are few surveys that have produced very similar results:

In a 2007 Pew Research poll in response to a question on whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified,[27] in Europe:

64% of Muslims in France believed it could never be justified, 19% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% sometimes, and 6% thought it could be justified often.

70% of Muslims in Britain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 12% sometimes, and 3% thought it could be justified often.

83% of Muslims in Germany believed it could never be justified, 6% believed it could be justified rarely, 6% sometimes, and 1% thought it could be justified often.

69% of Muslims in Spain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 10 % sometimes, and 6% thought it could be justified often.

This is just in relation to acts of terrorism against civilians. 35% of Muslims in france think it can be justified in some circumstances, 24% in Britain. A minority yes but not a small one.

And this is just in relation to terrorism. When the questions are around opposition to western values the numbers are closer to 50%.

We are in the middle of a hearts and minds battle with moderate muslims and it's on a knife edge.

Do you believe everything on the Internet gazuille? I imagine you follow David Icke and believe it all yes?

I've watched conspiracy films like zeitgeist etc but you have to use some common sense along with alternative options.

It is just as ignorant yo blindly believe the conspiracy crap as it is to believe all western media.

Well done Salman Rushdie for his utterly sensible comments about today's outrage. he says there is a "deadly mutation at the heart of Islam".

so does the mutation pervade the host or will the host fight back? It's up to moderate Muslims to destroy this cancer.

I won't bother with Gaz. Oxygen abuser

My goodness you're tiresome Gaz I don't think you actually have a theory at all. If you did I am pretty sure a gobshite like you would be absolutely bursting to share it.

It is not for me to get into that because it is a consciousness issue not an opportunity to teach. Google is your friend. Such a shame that there is now a huge chasm between true thinkers and manipulated minds responding appropriately to stimuli.

I have watched many 'truth' documentaries from zeitgeist onwards.

you still have to realise that this shit is actually happening and it ain't all down to the joooooos and the zionist press! !!!!!!!

Niki that is rude. Where have I called you a blinded dimwit or such like?

You've called us ALL ignorant and told us we have manipulated minds. You're pretty rude yourself .

Don't let Gaz distract everyone- something doesn't add up about her.

Okay, so I am the subject of the conspiracy now. Well I have said all I can really. Stay manipulated, wake up, it is your choice. Just don't expect to convert my thinking any time soon.

Marches now planned in Paris on 18 Jan and in Calais on 25 Jan. This atrocity may be the wake up call that moderate Muslims need to reclaim what they hold dear and to wrestle it from the hijackers

This is not over. The scum remain on the run. the M acrid bombing perpetrators ended up in a siege with Spanish Police. Then there are the funerals which will be horribly emotional.

All because some fuckwits "took offence"

Cut the crap Gaz. Say what you mean or piss off. people have dealt with enough crap today

I was pissing off anyway because of the futility of the latter option. I so wish I could emigrate and live among enlightened folk.

If this means we start standing up for the values of the enlightenment then I will be pleased. We are far too tolerant of medieval nonsense dressed up as religious sensibility.

Thing is Gaz, we don't actually know WHAT you're thinking because you're not actually providing any information, just loads of incoherent ranting about how we all need to wake up etc etc.

"I wish I could emigrate"

Not as much as we wish you could .

I appreciate it's relevant - but if I had written this OP in 2012 I would not be feeling comfortable with it being used to head up this (very important) discussion today. Can't we use the new thread instead?

If you take a look at the other thread about this atrocity on In the News you'll re that Gaz does not believe that these gunmen in Paris were Muslims. Gaz thinks they re part of the Zionist conspiracy.

If you hold those views then you have either been brainwashed or are mentally ill. If it's brain washing then Gaz is actually part of the problem as Gaz refuses to see that a rogue element is purporting to be acting in support the cause that Gaz believes in and is not challenging them in their mistaken belief. So silence is taken as acceptance and denial, as approval

Whatever - Gaz should be denied the oxygen of self-denial. It just outrages the decent folk.

how do you know that half of the readership isn't Muslim?

who cares if half of the readership is muslim. if you are offended by pictures of mohamed then don't buy the damn magazine!

it's quite simple. lots of things offend me, but I don't go and blow people up. I just don't buy the offensive thing.

"Freedom of speech does not mean you have the freedom to offend, insult and hurt."

Erm, yes it does. That's, like, how free speech works. Are you a bit dim or something?

The funny thing is that religions (many) and in particular today islam wants an exemption from criticism. The gall. if you claim to be the last word in morality and human well being then EXPECT to be criticized.

I pointed that out too. The person who wrote is us obviously one if the New Offended I.e. The growing group of people who think that ALL adjectives should be banned.

well they can fuck off