Police Officer killed during arrest

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Another officer seriously injured

news.sky.com/story/986584/policewoman-killed-during-attempted-arrest

Oscar - I've seen the press conferences - the reference by the Chief Constable was that they had no intelligence about that particular address - no reports, no reason to suspect it - it hadn't appeared on any way on the enquiry. He didn't say Creggan had no connection to the estate - that would have been a lie.

Terrible terrible news - DS1 is a Dr at Tameside hospital where they took one of the girls. So sad.

I made a very emotional response earlier.....fwiw, I hear what people are saying and agree that arming police would not have prevented the situation today...so so sad though. Those poor women, and their poor families.

The police don't need to be armed in this country, Tasers maybe. Not guns though, its a tough enough job as it is. It wouldn't have changed today, they were ambushed going to what was supposed to be a routine call. I think I read on BBC news that the house had been empty for a few months (this may have been said by a witness, but please don't quote me on that one).

We shouldn't focus on the coward who shot them, we should focus on those women and the people that go to work everyday to police our streets who often go into situations that would make grown men weep.

just heard this
condolences to family,colleagues friends
police it's a hard job,and today just made it wee bit harder

colouring your emotional response was understandable in the circumstances.

Colouring - no offence taken. There are men and women
Up and down the country who share your sentiments.
I believe the net was closing in and he was desperate therefore wanted to go out with a bang. He will have more kudos in prison being a "cop
Killer"
Where does it all stop?

Online book of Condolence set up by GMP.

Will he really have kudos in prison for killing two young women in cold blood Sharon?
Surely even most prisoners would think that was beyond the pale?

Thanks AWCH

Thanks for linking - posted mine earlier
Unfortunately within certain sections of prison societies then yes he will

unfortunately for a particular grop individuals there will be kudos
no honour amongst crims
plenty thugs hough

My thoughts and prayers are with the families of these two officers and with all police officers everywhere. It looks like it was a hoax call purely designed to lure them into a trap, pure evil.

Without the police I wouldn't be able to do my job, they watch my back and are always there when we need them, supporting,protecting and helping us.

I have so much time for police officers, without a doubt they are used and abused yet still they are when we need them. This has really affected me today.....and tonight when I was bemoaning a bit of a stressy day I actually stopped myself and thought about it...I rapidly got a grip on my so called stressy day.

It's horrific to think this man will have any kudos for gunning down two unarmed women in such a cold blooded and premeditated way.

Well , I'm going to be the one going against the grain. Because I would carry a gun if told to . I certainly wouldn't leave . I have had colleagues shot on my own team . I still remember the day like it was yesterday . Today brought it all back .

Armed response is always TOO far away . Even in London . God knows how long it takes our county colleagues to get help , but I know that waiting for it even in Central London feels like a fucking eternity . Out there in the sticks , it really is. How many colleagues shot dead or seriously injured were on routine calls ? Sharon beshevnisky , to a panic alarm . Patrick Dunne delivering a message ? David Rathband , parked on a roundabout ? It's always the routine calls where we get seriously hurt , because they're the ones we never send armed response to .

Fuck that . I'm sorry , I'm fucking furious because I've just been listening to the platitudes from those wankers in government saying how special we all are , so to convey their thanks, they're going to fuck up my pension, make me chase fuckers like that murdering bastard when I'm 60 , treat me like any other employee , but without any other employees rights . Well , no . I'm planning an exit strategy , and then they can take the cost of turning me into a very highly trained and professional police officer , and shove it up their arse . Then they can fuck off some more .

I think 'kudos' is the wrong word in response from other inmates. There may be a teeny number who will want to be associated with him. Certainly fear, as one doesn't operate in he world he has without being practiced in terror. (some of the incidents associated with this 'fued' are utterly barbaric re bodily harm, and Creggan will no doubt be involved in some of them). He will very probably be housed far away from Manchester after sentence.
He won't see the light of day ever again, which means for the prison authorities, he has nothing to lose.

Plomino I understand your anger. Our views differ in some respects, but I totally agree about government platitudes in the face of what they are doing to the police service.

I didn't think this would affect my determination to do my job until I realised I had to explain a bit about the risks to my 6 year old daughter (as she is bound to pick up something about this). It made me wonder whether it is all worth it - for the first time ever.

We were at the dinner table tonight , when this came on . Tonight , my DD said to me ' I don't want you to get shot Mummy ' at bed time . Can I , in all honesty , say it won't ?

They could have been any one of us . Any one at all . I've done the routine calls that have turned out anything but. I've been that person hanging on for dear life to a door handle, stopping the screaming knife wielding suspect from getting loose . So have so so many of us . How can I say it will never ever happen to me ? DH retired last year , but even he gave me a huge hug tonight and said ' please be careful ' . This from my hardened cynical , non emotional DH .

This is just horrible. What disgusting, evil thing to do. To actually lure police officers there just to kill them? Those poor women and their families, friends and colleagues. No one should go to work and never come home again, no matter what they do.

But I don't want to see routinely armed police on our streets. I don't the UK to become like the USA, which I fear it would. The criminals who don't already use guns would simply upgrade I think and more officers and civilians would end up dead or injured. I might be wrong, I don't know.

I'm in West Yorks where POs John Speed, Ian Broadhurst and Sharon Beshenevsky were shot dead and I knew - although not well - Special Constable Glenn Goodman who was shot dead by the IRA in North Yorks in 1992. He was a very nice man who just wanted to give his kids the best life he could so became a SPC in the hope of becoming a PC. I've never forgotten how shocking all those incidents were to our whole community. Ian Broadhurst was based at my local police station and it was just horrifying that something so awful happened so close. I still remember seeing the flag at the station at half mast and thinking that he'd arrived there that morning and had just gone out doing his job. Just horrific.

Sorry that was long and rambly. RIP brave officers.

Busters- I believe I walk your beat! Ian Broadhurst worked at my station. The community support at these terrible times means everything.

I've been brought to tears today on hearing the news, I was just shocked beyond belief.
I've not let my DS watch TV tonight, I won't put the radio on tomorrow morning in the car as I drive him to the CM, before I turn up dutifully for work in my uniform.
I can not protect him forever, so I am preparing some comforting words for when he hears about it, I will of course tell him mummy will be fine, she won't ever be hurt.
For the first time in my career, I don't believe that, i have no idea what I will walk into everyday and I don't have the faith my colleagues will be there when I need them as the thin blue line is near invisible.

And why do we always get compared to the US ? Why not compare us to , let's say , all the other armed European police officers , who seem to do ok? The French are armed , as are the Spanish , Italian officers . Even that hotbed of crime and disorder , Switzerland . Don't get me wrong , I wouldn't voluntarily apply to become an armed officer , but if it came right down to it , and everyone was , then yes I would carry a firearm . Better that than have my kids at my graveside , because armed response were 30 seconds too late .

I still have my calm response ( honest ! ) , I can still talk ninety percent of angry people down , but the criminals , and yes they are criminals, not 'custody clients ' are becoming more violent . To each other , to the public, and to us .

What a terribly sad day for everyone concerned. I couldn't agree more with comments about Theresa May, she makes me sick. Two young girls go out to work and their lives ended by this violent unthinkable act. My heart goes out to their families and their colleagues.

Just finished a late shift. A very sad day. RIP brave officers.

N.I has the lowest crime rate in the U.K

Well, that's debatable of course... (but let's not get into that now).

Yes, so sad to hear of this and still don't understand why the British police are not armed when called out.

(Also don't understand when they are, as in the case that started the London riots, or the Brazilian that got shot in the underground).

Crazy world we live in.