George Osborne Gets Booed Handing Medals at the Paralympic Athletics Medal Ceremony

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The nation boos at the Tory scum:

We have a growth in food banks, an appeal from Save The Children, who are concerned about child poverty in the UK. Is this evidence of 'caring for the poor'?

" The right are properly brought up and polite."

Xenia you're a hoot!

^The right are properly brought up and polite.
No one cares for the poor as well as the right.^

Right, that's me leaving the thread then. I cannot see it going anywhere sane.

If the evil right were as nasty and hateful of the poor as many on this site like to make out, things would be a lot worse for a lot more people.

The fact that it isn't just doesn't sit well with your anti Tory agenda, so you choose to ignore it.

Okay, Outraged, perhaps you can give us some examples of caring Tory policies.

I didn't say they were caring though, I said they aren't as poor hating as you would like to believe. That's not the same thing!

Why do you need them to care anyway? The government provides enough that we don't have people starving and dying on the streets. The rest is up to individuals.

"The government provides enough that we don't have people starving and dying on the streets."
The word you're missing is YET. Won't be long.

The cuts haven't really started to take effect yet, and so far only 20% of those planned are in place. The right are destroying the poor in this and other countries, which is probably what Xenia means by taking care of them.

Why do you need them to care anyway?

Because they are in government, they are leaders of our society. Society is the key word.

I'm sorry, because I've had conversations with Outraged before, and I do know that her heart is in the right place, although I feel her politics are a little misguided. However, we do have people dying on the streets, regularly, and have had for years, despite the colour of governments, although it did increase under Thatcher, but didn't decrease under Blair.
Most of these people are homeless, lost to any family they may have had so are quietly gathered up by the local council and put in a paupers grave. Death is not usually due to starvation, it is frequently due to underlying illnesses.

I'm quite willing to accept that the Conservative idea of a 'paternalistic' caring 'big society' sounds nice in theory. Wouldn't it be fab if the world were full of Camila Batmanghelidjh types who would just step in and do all that social care stuff off their own bat and all companies were some kind of cross between the Co-Op and John Lewis, and could be trusted to look after their employees, maybe building villages for them and providing them with work social clubs and sport facilities.

It's just I can't think of any country on earth where this kind of system works in practice (mainly because some people would rather have a fast car than ensure that their elderly neighbour gets a hip replacement).

Unfortunately, cake sales and charity balls haven't really been shown to be able to fill the gap that would be left by reducing the state's burden for social care. That is why, when many of us hear about the policies of the 'caring right', we are just a tiny bit suspicious, that its more about not spending money than helping others.

Wobbly, here's a tip, why not just stick to discussing Gordon Brown's policies - you don't have mention his disability at all!

Why do you need them to care anyway?

You really think a government should NOT care about its citizens? That it should support a system where, in a developed country, people are relying on food banks and children are going without new shoes when they need them? We are not the third world...

And as for this: we don't have people starving and dying on the streets

Well, yes, actually we do.

www.crisis.org.uk/data/files/publications/Homelessness%20-%20a%20silent%20killer.pdf

Thank you Dawndonna. If there are people dying on the streets that I am unaware of, the I stand corrected, but like you say, if this is happening then it's because of illness. There is only so much the government can do.

I don't think it's fair to say that my politics (if I have politics, I'm not sure I do, I just have opinions) are misguided. They may not fit it with the majority of the MN lefties, but that doesn't make them misguided, just different.

I believe in personal responsibility and help and support for those who cannot help themselves because of abuse, old age, disability etc. I don't believ the government, or the taxpayer is responsible for picking up the pieces when people have just made bad choices in life.

I'm not sure that it's true to say that 'the right' have been brought up not to boo people.

There seems to be an awful lot of this behaviour in parliament, where, historically, I think a rather large proportion of MP's have a private school background.

It could be argued that the crowd were just making Osborne feel at home.

The SureStart and Youth Clubs in my area have been stopped due to budget cuts. The direct result of this is that bored, restless teenagers have started hanging around in street corners. It is a matter of time before they start causing trouble, especially if their home life is hard as well as them having nothing to occupy them.

Our local church has had serious cases of vandalism in the last three months, and the purpose of it was to strip the copper from the windows. Last week a gravestone was stripped of a copper ornamental statue. Nothing of the sort has happened in decades.

There used to be regular police beats. These have reduced drastically due to cuts in police numbers and budgets

People are getting desperate. When there is no money to feed hungry mouths, especially young hungry mouths, people will resort to whatever means to put food on the table. The fallout will be felt by us, the secure middle-classes, as much as by the working class and the vulnerable.

These cuts will affect us all, whether we are first in the firing line or safe in the backlines.

People shouldn't need sure start and youth clubs to not commit crimes! They are 'nice to haves' one essentials.

I agree the cuts affect us all, that is why I don't understand why so many MNers are determined that the government is targeting the poor or disabled. It stands to reason that when cuts to government spending have to be made, which they do, then the people who stand to lose the most are those who take the most. I don't think that equates to deliberate targeting of certain sections of society.

Not essentials I meant.

Outraged I don't think it's fair to say that my politics (if I have politics, I'm not sure I do, I just have opinions) are misguided. They may not fit it with the majority of the MN lefties, but that doesn't make them misguided, just different.

If you describe people as 'lefties', believe me, you do have politics!

Outraged Thank you Dawndonna. If there are people dying on the streets that I am unaware of, the I stand corrected, but like you say, if this is happening then it's because of illness. There is only so much the government can do.

But the illnesses are - more often than not - a direct result of their homelessness and the impoverished life that results. (Lack of healthcare, inadequate clothing, food etc.) In other words, they are dying on the streets due to poverty.

Did I say the youths will commit crimes? I said they will cause trouble. If you cannot see the difference between the two then you haven't lived in a less-than-salubrious area. The youth clubs kept them occupied and gave them purpose. There was a dance programme, and it engaged the teens so much that they were practicing the routines at all hours. It was good to see them occupied in harmless activities.

That's fine NanAstley, because there is definitely some right wing person in your very own community who is just about to step in and organise a much better Youth Club and SureStart Centre voluntarily! Honestly - they'll be along in a minute!

Have you thought about organising Neighbourhood Watch?

doesn't work though, I live in a city with masses to do, you just have to look for it.
yet we have yobs causing trouble cos they "have nothing to do"
tbh they have feckless parents who don't care.

I think a large proportion of homeless people are ex-armed forces.

"It stands to reason that when cuts to government spending have to be made, which they do, then the people who stand to lose the most are those who take the most. I don't think that equates to deliberate targeting of certain sections of society."

Outraged, I'm going to assume that you posted that in naivety rather than deliberate obtuseness - have you not seen anything of what's happening to disabled people across the country?