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Sir Roy Meadow to face inquiry

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musica · 18/12/2003 14:56

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Cheeseball · 12/02/2004 12:01

I would love to go away does any one know of somewhere CHEAP, in the EC (neither of us drive), and it wouldbe good if we could go just after Easter as the kids will have gone back to school. We find it difficult to be around children sometimes. What are these All Inclusive deals like, I like the idea of not having to pay for anything when you are there, but are they value for money.
I wish I could shout and scream about what I think this man had done to our lives but I know that I would be prosecuted if I told my story. If anything is going to change it must be the justice system that lts men like this get away with it for so long. Had I, and the other women been able to tell our stories than I am certain he would have been stopped sooner, and I would have been able to have the family I so desperately wanted but was too frightened to have.
I HATE HIM! - But am working hard on not showing it.

Bunglie · 12/02/2004 15:17

Cheeseball I understand what you mean when you say you want to go somewhere where there are children around. It is not so much the reminder of your children, but the fact that everyone talks about their children and you can't talk about yours.
Have you thought about teletext or doing what I did and just went to a travel agent and looked at the 'late deals' in the window. You can get some really good bargains if you shop around a bit.
I just wish that I could be of more help but people said to me 'time' is what you need. Time does not help, You learn to cope with it but you never get over the loss of a child and the only solace that we can hope for is that this man has been stopped and that maybe you might , and I say might be able to find something out about your daughter. Do go to a solicitor and get some advice. I started with the CAB and then with the support of the mumsnetters I found the 'get up and go' that I needed to find out more.
I do not know anything about NORCAP if I find out something I shall let you know.
My advice Cheeseball, if you are feeling anything like how I was, and I am certain that you must be. Have a break, get your head together and then work out a 'plan of action' ie, the people you are going to write to, or contact and see where it takes you. If you want a chat email me and I will contact you.
Lots of hugs Bunglie XX

MeanBean · 12/02/2004 18:40

I've just come across this thread, after promising myself that I wouldn't spend so much time on Mumsnet, I've spent two and a half hours reading it instead of working - once I started I couldn't stop. It's been the most moving, frightening, enraging, harrowing thread I've read. Cheeseball and Bunglie, your experience has been horrific, and I just hope you get your children back (emotionally). I also hope you're both part of a class action to sue the bejasus out of all the authorities involved in this - people should be named and shamed, and though you could never be compensated for what you've been through, we live in a society where the value of everything is measured in cold hard cash, unfortunately - and the cold-hearted b***ds who run the place understand that language better than any other.

Roy Meadows (I wonder what his relationship with his own mother is like? Dysfunctional I bet - I think we should be told) did not operate in a vacuum. Yes it's very frightening that this one man had so much power, but he didn't wreak this level of havoc on so many families on his own - he had the connivance of the rest of the medical profession, the judiciary and the social services. Without the climate of mysogyny and in particular hostility to mothers (what shall we call it - matraphobia?) which exists in those professions, I don't think his mad theories would have been given house-room. This demented mother-hater convinced a whole bunch of highly qualified, professional people, most of whom would consider themselves rational and compassionate, to accept his theories and destroy families as a result. The laxness of it as well - the fact that they could accept his diagnosis even if he hadn't met the individuals concerned - in no other area of law, medicine or anything else, would this be accepted. If you phone NHS Direct, for God's sake, they won't even diagnose the common cold without seeing the patient, let alone a rare and possibly non-existent disease. What is so frightening about this, is that Meadows has been discredited, but the people who eagerly seized on his theories, are still there, still making decisions and still promoting the same attitudes to mothers. Am I the only paranoid person who is glad that if my child has a bad fall in public, that there are witnesses to it, so I have a defence against a false allegation of abuse? This climate of suspicion against us is at the root of all this - one man took advantage of it and made a career out of it, but he didn't create it, and it is still there.

I'll be writing to my MP, and to the caring Margaret Hodge - whoever pointed out that Cleveland etc. had a huge enquiry when it was only a few families, whereas this has been 5000, and they're already trying to sweep it under the carpet, was right - and I just hope and hope that you two get justice. Good luck to you, don't give up, you've got the support of everyone who is sane.

aloha · 12/02/2004 19:38

Wow Bunglie, what an amazing post. Of course you are not being selfish. Please stop thinking that. How many times can we all tell you that you are the least selfish person on earth. I really hope your meeting with your daughter goes well and I think the idea of a little parcel for your son is such a good idea. Some lovely treats to eat - things he likes.
You MUST tell your children. To believe that the woman who gave birth to you rejected you is the greatest pain on earth, I believe. And I know adopted children who say that thought has blighted their whole lives. To know you are loved, and have always been loved is such a gift and a joy.
What a mother you would have been to your children. And you too Cheeseball. Have that holiday. If it's any consolation, I hate Roy Meadows too, with every fibre of my being, without a fraction of the cause of you two.
If you either of you ever want to tell your story (anonymously) to tell the world what happened to you and others, I would be happy to help (I'm a journalist) - and I would cheerfully donate any fee I was paid to you to spend on your children or legal fees. I really feel this scandal needs as much exposure as possible. I agree with Meanbean - this is a symptom of a woman-hating culture that devalues mothers all the time.

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Cheeseball · 17/02/2004 12:59

Thanks Bunglie, dh and I went down the high street and are going for two weeks self caterring in Corfu the 1st week of september AND we are going away in April, after Easter to an all inclusive week in Spain. I know it is not 'high season' but just to relax, be together and forget for a week about all of this. I can't wait.
I have written to my M.P. and have an appt. tomorrow at the CAB I just hope that I do not 'chicken out' as dh will be at work and I have to go on my own. To be honest I think that this will be better as he tends to get a bit heated and it could send his stress levels through the roof.
Can't explain how I feel, nervous, excited and a bit scared all rolled into one with great big butterflies doing somersaults in my tummy!!
Thankyou mumsnetters, Bunglie put it better than me but it is true without your support I would have done nothing.

Bunglie · 17/02/2004 17:50

I am so very pleased to hear that you have booked a holiday Cheeseball. Oddly I too am going away for a holiday in the middle of April to recharge my batteries. I shall be thinking of you.
I have heard NOTHING further from my MP since the email saying mrs Hodge was making a statement. I wonder if ANYONE has heard or had a reply. I really do think the government is trying to bury this and after all that I have felt, been through and for the sake of my sanity and childrens future I want the truth told. I feel strong at the moment but I just hope that I can keep going long enough to get an answer.
Only 2 days until I see my daughter. I spent the weekend getting together a 'goody-bag' for my son. What do you put in a 'goody-bag' for an 18 year old? I have some tins of food, pasta, rice, cook-in sauces you know the kind of thing I mean but I also want to put in something a bit more personal does anyone have any ideas?

wayward · 17/02/2004 18:58

Cheeseball, Bunglie, It is good to know that you are both thinking of yourselves, and NO Bunglie, before you say/think it you ARE NOT BEING SELFISH.
I too am beginning to wonder has Anyone had a reply from their M.P.?
I really do not understand how we as a society can let this have happened and now we seem to be able to do nothing to put it right. I wish I could just give you a big hug, both of you. I think you are so brave just to tell us your stories. Your nightmare is not over and I am glad that we mumsnetters have been of support, however I feel, angry for you and feel as if I want/need to do more.
Aloha, your offer is wonderful and I hope that when Cheeseball and Bunglie are a 'bit more sorted' that they will contact you. We must stop this travesty now and let the world know what has happened.
Bunglie I have thought and wondered about your 'goody-box' for your son; a few sweets, (everybody likes sweets!) and the kind of thing young men rely on their mums to get like socks, perhaps underware is a bit too personal! You could also put in silly things like a fridge magnet as he is in a bedsit or poster. It is the little luxuary things that don't cost much but they never buy - imagine you are making him a Christmas stocking. Aftershave and toiletries, a phone card and a book of stamps. Why not also include a photo of yourself now and one of the two of you together when he was young. I do not know where you live but picture frames are very cheap in our local market so maybe you could frame one. Just a few ideas I hope they are of help.
Wow! only 2 days and you see your dd. I wish you luck and will be thinking of you, please do post us a note to tell us how it went?
I am going to chase up my MP but I would be very interested to know if ANY person has had a reply.
Lots of hugs to you both.

applepie · 17/02/2004 19:34

I have been following this thread with interest and horror, and have not posted anything before as I felt I did not have anything constructive to say, other than offer my heartfelt support to Cheeseball and Bunglie. I did however send an email off to my MP (Nigel Griffiths, Edinburgh) and have received a reply this hour, thought I'd share it with you:

"Thank you for your email. I very much agree with you and the consultant and so-call expert witness should find himself in the dock. I am grateful to have your support in this matter.
Best wishes. Nigel"

It may not be a detailed action plan as to how he plans to tackle the situation personally, but it's a step in the right direction.

aloha · 17/02/2004 21:50

No reply yet from Harriet Harman. I must call her to chase this up.
Wishing you all the best Bunglie and Cheeseball.

Bunglie · 18/02/2004 15:08

I often look at the other threads and I very nearly put my name down for the march swap. This must seem silly to you all but I just could not. I think it is such a lovely idea and the only mothers day present I have is a little paper daffodil my son made at playschool over 15 years ago. It is squashed, faded and really it should go in the bin, but it is so very precious to me. I would love to get a mothers day present but I really do not think that I could bare the emotional pain that it would cause. The february swap was of course Valentines and by coincidence Feb 14th was the last full day that I had my family all together and so I have never been able to celebrate valentines day either. I do hope that they do an april or May swap because I would love to send someone a gift (and get one too) I think it is a lovely idea.
I am really posting this for something to do. I am so nervous about tomorrow. I have tins of food, Ketchup (yuk!) A fridge magnet (thanks Wayward), toiletries, a book of stamps, paper and envelopes. I have wrapped them all up in box which I decorated for my son. I have knitted my daughter a jumper (as well as her Christmas & B/day pressies) but I had to guess the size. Oooh I do hope that I guessed right. I just want it all to be perfect but I think that it could be a little bit 'strained' so I almost wish I had a valium to take before hand.
Agh! How do I calm down? I need to get this all in perspective, CALM DOWN and have someone give me a hug and tell me it will be alright!
I am not certain that I fully understood the email you received from your MP applepie but I think that is me just being thick. Is your MP saying that Prof. Meadows should be in the dock? If so I agree but I do not think that he ever will be. THANK YOU for writing it was very kind of you and as far as I know you are the only person who has had an answer.
Ohh! I think I will go and make myself a cup of tea and 'dunk' a ginger biscuit in it, (knowing my luck it will break off and leave a soggy mess everywhere)!

wayward · 18/02/2004 15:15

Lots of HUGS and GOOD LUCK BUNGLIE

Everything will be fine, have faith in yourself. You drop the biscuit too? I always seem to hold it in too long, but tell dh and ds off for 'dunking' so I am a secret bicky dunker!!

aloha · 18/02/2004 15:33

Here's a virtual hug for you Bunglie

Good luck for tomorrow. I'll be thinking of you.

sis · 18/02/2004 16:00

Bunglie, hope it goes well tomorrow, all the best.

Twinkie · 18/02/2004 16:07

Bunglie - you will be ok - believe me - you deserve this to go ok and if it doesn't then at the end of this horrid journey is a happy ending maybe not tomorrow but one day.

When I went to court recently I was terrified - surely not as bad as you are feeling though - I found it good to sit and type on any old thread on mumsnet - or sit and write down how you are feeling - Honey my heart really aches for you I hope so much that this goes well.

Was thinking last night too - that your daughter I am sure will be relieved to know that you did not have a choice when it came to being parted from her - can you imagine just how releaved she will feel to know that yuou have wanted her all along and did not 'give her up'. She must have had so may sad feelings and why's reeling around for so many years and then to find out that she has a wonderful mum who has thought about her and wanted to hold her for so many years.

Sorry I get all sad when I start writing sometimes - I hope I have not upset you - I just know that I would be soo happy to find out that I actually had a mum who had laoved and wanted me for all fo these years.

Good Luck XXX

Twinkie XXX

jimmychoos · 18/02/2004 16:37

Bunglie - I am sending so many positive thoughts your way for tomorrow that it MUST go well!I'll be thinking of you - I hope you have a wonderful day with your daughter

twiglett · 18/02/2004 17:36

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willow2 · 18/02/2004 23:19

Just wanted to add another hug

Bunglie · 19/02/2004 15:55

AGHHHHH! TEN MINUTES TO GO..............I think I have done everything and I bet that they are late, so I will sit here getting myself in a stew. I wish I bit my nails or something....anything....I am so nervous.
Thank you! Thank you! for all of your hugs, I did not sleep last night but it was really nice to know that although you don't know me you still care.
Eight minutes, I had better shut this down, that will take me another five, OOOOOH... I will post news later but I can't promise it will be tonight. Thank you all again. BunglieXXX

Twinkie · 19/02/2004 15:59

Ooooh - am not at work tomorrow but will log on first thing to have a look how it went.

Good Luck Honey big big fingers crossed for you XXX and a big big hug () () () () () () () () () () () () () () ()

twiglett · 20/02/2004 20:13

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willow2 · 20/02/2004 21:27

Hi Bunglie - hope you are ok.

judetheobscure · 20/02/2004 22:47

Bunglie - have just found this thread again (I'm a bit of an intermittent mumsnetter these days - addiction cured.) I'm really hoping things went OK yesterday and that you're alright. ((((hugs)))

Bunglie · 21/02/2004 13:55

S-O-R-R-Y ! I did mean to post something sooner but I have been too upset. I do not really know how to put what happened it was all so awful. I guess I should have been prepared for their reaction towards me but was not. The ap's (adoptive parents, af=adoptive father, am= adoptive mother). brought my dd and she was so tall and beautiful since I saw her last. She had really grown up. She sat down and I was not allowed to sit next to her, she was sandwiched by the ap's. EVERYTHING I said was contradicted, and I was critisized for everything, I could say or do nothing correct and my dh could not say anything to me as she was 'shut up' everytime she went to say something. I gave her her Christmas present, a teasmade, she is a 'tea-a-holic' and this to her was something she had often spoken about having and I had always resisted buying her one as I had always had a strict price limit that I spent on each of them and this was outside that budget. This year however I decided that as I had spent a bit extra on my son as he was 18 that I had to be fair and therefore, searched the internet, until I finally found one. I was very pleased with myself and she loved it. Then was told by the ap's that it was dangerous, the EC are banning them and that she could not have boiling water next to her bed. Her Birthday present, a silver neclace, not expensive but it was a 7 strand snake chain necklace that was about £45. I watched in horror as she was told off for tearing the wrapping paper, as it could be re-used, and then informed that 'They do not believe in jewelery,or adornment of the body by artificial means. It is a religious thing it seems as they are .......oh hell I have told you enough to identify them what more damage can I do, but they are Quakers, and this goes against their religion apparently. I should like to add ONE of the courts conditions was that the children having been baptized into the church of England were to be brought up in the faith of the Church of England. I bit my lip and had to go out of the room as my eyes filled with tears and went and put the kettle on to make them all a cup of tea. One drank Lady Grey , One Lapsangsuchong, and my dd and I bog standard Tescos. I took the tea in and tried to give my dd the jumper I knitted. She tried it on and I must say it really was a perfect fit and she looked so pretty. the 'am' said that it would shrink when washed, I explained that I had already washed and pressed it and that the label from the wool was in the bag showing that it was in fact machine washable on a 40 degree cycle. She aid that their machine did not have a machine washable wool cycle. I stopped there as I realised that I could not win. I gave my dd the 'goody bag' that I had made up for my ds and his Christmas present. She said that she would take it around to him and the 'am' said that she did not think that their would be enough room in the car for it with dd's teasmade! They did find the room and took it. My dd was so beautiful and did not know what was going on. we were not left alone together at any point. She must have realised that something was wrong but what she thinks I do not know. The nice thing is that she gave me a drawing that she had put in a 'clip frame' to me as a late Christmas present. It was lovely and the 'am' just said "It is not the best that she did, that went towards her GCSE art but that one was left over and she did not want to waste it". I assured her it was very good and I really do love it.
I know nothing about how my son is, how my daughter is, what is going on in their lives. I do not think that the ap's will contact me unless they have to. I asked for their email address and got a very firm 'NO' They know that I know it, their address, telephone number, name where they work but I am only supposed to have contact through the adoption agency 'letterbox' scheme.
I have been in a very screwed up emotional state the last couple of days trying to work out what I did wrong. Maybe I should not have bought my dd a teasmade but it is not the 'crime of the century' is it?
I know that they must be feeling very threatened, but I did everything I could to make them realise that this was not a competition. I do not want to take their place, I just want a place in my childrens lives. I want them to know the truth, but with their support, so that it is less traumatic for them. I have done nothing I can think of that meant that I deserved the treatment I got on Thursday. I must have made a mistake somewhere and I honestly can't think where. Please, if any of you think that I have done something wrong tell me the truth because I need to know?
I do not know what to do now. I honestly thought that they would be pleased that I was trying to resolve a situation with their help rather than go behind their backs, but I am wrong.
I love my children and I want them to know that, to know the truth and the only way I can see it happening now is if I do it without their ap's help and then I would feel deceitful.
H-E-L-P? What is the answer. Do I now send the letter to my ds, do I try and find out about this NORCAP counselling service....Oh God...I am so screwed up at the moment I just really do not know what is right. A VERY close friend phoned me last night and I told her what happened, she helped a bit but I think she was almost in disbelief because they (my dd & ds) have beeen brainwashed that I am this wicked woman. Would it be better for them if they continued to think this, because then that would at least justify to them why they were adopted? I think it is more important that they are not overly distressed or upset and if that means that I have to give up on them knowing the truth is that better? I just don't know????
Any more Hugs, I need a hug from my children but I do not think I will ever get it. I really do not hate people, as I think hate is a very strong and dangerous emotion, but I HATE MEADOW'S.
I am so sorry, love Bunglie

Angeliz · 21/02/2004 14:06

Bunglie, ive not spoken to you before but i just read your last post and nerly cried!
I can't imagine how that feels and it would break my heart!
It did not sound to me like you did ANYTHING wrong, just that her adoptive parents feel VERY threatened! I don't know all the details, just wanted to tell you that!
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