Jobless refugee in £1.25m house?

[janji]

Sorry cant link and is in the dreaded dm, but am astonished at this story and the tenants 'rights' to live in a nice home? With the government seemingly taking every extra bit if hard earned cash from those of us who are struggling day to day, how can councils paying rents in excess of £5000 per month be justified?

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Point one: They are refugees till the home office says other wise, so anyone wanting to ask why people spend so long in limbo on benefits unable to get a job which they would rather do, go and ask your MP who's job it is to get the system to work properly.

Point Two: Why is no one asking where the landlords are and why they are not keeping the house up to scratch, it is easy to blame tennents but do we know if the original problem was caused by them or bad maintenance and then the problems got worse over time.

Point 3. Will those who raise this issue just say what the fuck it is that they are trying to say, the only people who hide behind "pc culture" are those who know what they want to say offensive. Fine free speech is all about being able to offend people, and for the offended to tell it like they see it in down and dirty language. So what is your problem OP, they are living here, they claim Housing benefit both legitimately, they may not be the best tennents, many are not. What is it you want to say, what would you prefer the situation to be.

The line "I deserve to live in a nice house and get benefits" really summed up the whole article issue for me? Why do so many people feel they 'deserve' things? What about the thousands who earn minimum wage, claim no benefits and still don't truly get what they deserve? And why should a street of people have to put up with anti social behaviour?

I agree, the house is hardly a mansion, its a normal 3 bed semi. The dm doesn't report on families living in over-crowded dilapidated housing on crime riddled estates do they? Because that doesn't inspire fear and outrage in its readers.

Still no goat though

well janji, do many people deserve the opposite? to be housed in squallar in a ghetto? because many more are than in decent "normal" houses like this one, do you like it that way?

Not clicking on the link cos it is DM, but from what has been said this was meant to be a story about housing, now it's anti social behaviour? How did it move from one to the other.

Re, people deserving things. You do have a point, why should people deserve somewhere wind and weather proof, why should they deserve to feel like they are fleeing from what ever it was they are refugees from. Why indeed do we feel like we deserve not to have people who feel they deserve things.

So maybe they used the word deserve (or maybe they did not it is the DM remember) and that was the wrong word. How would expect be, better hmm. I think so I would expect that any civilised country would help me if I was in dire need or had a huge crises that was beyond my control. That is why we like to think of ourselves as a developed and first world country is it not.

am also wondering who or what kind of family might not be deserving of shelter and subsistence benefits, or what sort of anti-social behaviour from one or two teens that could place an entire family outside basic human needs

can't think of any, surely all living things deserve to have their needs met?

I know life is cruel etc but am glad our world is not THAT harsh

Sorry not found your goat.

Just to add more fire to the debate; what if we all felt we deserved to live as we pleased? I deserve not to have neighbours who don't keep my two young children awake all night? I deserve not to have my bag stolen recently. My sister deserves to live in a well maintained council house.
This has turned into more of a debate about equality and the expectations of those in society who think the World owes them something. It doesnt!

I think I deserve to live in a nice house that doesn't have used needles in the garden. I also deserve the benefits I receive. Is that different because I was born in england, or am I not deserving either?

I think I deserve to live in a nice house that doesn't have used needles in the garden. I also deserve the benefits I receive. Is that different because I was born in england, or am I not deserving either?

Alameda, yes all people deserve to have their needs met but you would hope they would at least show a little appreciation and not wreck the house given to them or cause their fellow human beings distress?

Ummm, you do actually deserve those things. Why would you not?

giving young adults, families, and particularly children who live in these families, the impression that they don't deserve anything from their lives but squallar and ghettoisation is exactly what CAUSES anti-social behaviour!

Think deserve is the wrong word? Entitled?

I wouldn't hold one family from overseas to a higher standard than the indigenous population to be fair, especially refugees who by definition are not on a level playing field with many of us here, am sure you can find plenty of home grown anti-social behaviour, wrecked local authority properties if you are interested in getting upset about that sort of thing

housing is a basic basic thing, and this thread is about people who ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PROVIDE THEIR OWN, given that they are forbidden from working, yes they are entitled to decent shelter

Lacking, yes. We don't see stories of young, white professionals "wrecking rented properties" do we? This isn't about the social conscience of it all, or even their behaviour. Its the fact that its a non-working non-white family on benefits in a nice area. I've lived in some holes, and the neighbours there were awful. That wasn't reported because it was an area where anti-social behaviour was expected.

Lacking, yes. We don't see stories of young, white professionals "wrecking rented properties" do we? This isn't about the social conscience of it all, or even their behaviour. Its the fact that its a non-working non-white family on benefits in a nice area. I've lived in some holes, and the neighbours there were awful. That wasn't reported because it was an area where anti-social behaviour was expected.

And yes, you are entitled to those things too. Are you saying that if offered you wouldn't take them?

Is it 'ghettoisation' not to live in an 'upmarket Fulham address'?

The family have been here 9 years.... 7 children and the eldest is in prison for drug dealing

And the house had a 76k refit only 3 years ago. I feel sorry got the landlord, this kind of thing isn't what she signed up for.

The council are seeking to evict them, so it's all been going on for a while

Remind me People how do I give op a biscuit, cannot giver her a goat obviously as she would think she does not "deserve" one.

they've been refugees for NINE YEARS??? (at least!) can't you see how that lead to being demoralised to the point of crime! its not as if the older children could go out and work like nomal young people, if they're still awaiting a decision its not like they can even get that attatched to their home (and therefore make it homely and look after it) as they could be shipped back to terror at any time!

there are plenty of people around without those "reasons' who act badly!

nine people in 3 bedrooms is not luxury, if they fled a DECADE ago for a new start which they still haven't been allowed to start one can see how they could give up on having a decent life no?

JanJi just spit it out will ya, you think they should not get what they have? That is the case yes?

claig yes, it would be "ghettoisation" to not do any social housing in nice areas, and only make problem poorer areas more over stretched