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Xenia · 07/07/2012 20:17

It seems pretty clear children benefit a lot if their mother has a good career and here is another piece of evidence of the damage housewives do to children:-

"Stay at home mothers are more likely to be unhappy than those who go out to work, according to new research.
Women who believe in "intensive parenting" are at risk of a range of mental illnesses including depression.

They think women are better parents than men, that mothering should be child centred and that children should be considered sacred and fulfilling.

This may put them in danger of suffering the 'parenthood paradox' where their ideology increases feelings of stress and guilt.

Psychologist Kathryn Rizzo, whose findings are published online in Springer's Journal of Child and Family Studies, said: "If intensive mothering is related to so many negative mental health outcomes, why do women do it?

"They may think that it makes them better mothers, so they are willing to sacrifice their own mental health to enhance their children's cognitive, social and emotional outcomes."
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She said parenting is a big task and requires a variety of skills and expertise. Many women rate the challenge as one of the most fulfilling experiences in life.

But some previous research has suggested it may be detrimental to mental health, with women reporting taking care of their children as more stressful than being at work.

So her team at the University of Mary Washington, Virginia, looked at whether intensive parenting in particular was linked to increased levels of stress, depression and lower life satisfaction among 181 mothers of children under five.

Using an online questionnaire, they found out to what extent the participants endorsed intensive parenting beliefs by measuring their responses to a series of statements.

These included "mothers are the most necessary and capable parent", "parents' happiness is derived primarily from their children" and "parents should always provide their children with stimulating activities that aid in their development".

Others were "parenting is more difficult than working" and "a parent should always sacrifice their needs for the needs of the child".

Overall, the women were satisfied with their lives but had moderate levels of stress and depression.

Almost one in four had symptoms of depression and these negative mental health outcomes were accounted for by their endorsement of intensive parenting attitudes.

When the level of family support was taken into account, those mothers who believed women are the essential parent were less satisfied with their lives. Those who believed that parenting is challenging were more stressed and depressed.

The researchers said overall, the women were satisfied with their lives but had moderate levels of stress and depression.

They added: "In reality, intensive parenting may have the opposite effect on children from what parents intend."

Earlier this year a study of more than 60,000 US mothers found 41 percent of those not in work experienced worry compared to 34 per cent of those employed.

And 28 per cent suffered depression, eleven per cent more than the others. Psychlogists fear the phenomenon is linked with feelings of isolation and a lack of fulfillment. "

www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9381449/Stay-at-home-mothers-more-unhappy-than-those-who-work.html

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Pendulum · 09/07/2012 16:41

noddyholder I think if you make a positive choice to SAH and you enjoy it (as you do) then it is unlikely to damage your mental health. I imagine the depressed mothers tend to be those who would like to be at work but can't (for economic reasons) or won't (because they feel they have a duty to be at home).

Chandon · 09/07/2012 16:47

agree with this:

"Jeez. Again? Why do you need to find justification for your life choices? It's usually a sign of self doubt and insecurity."

noddyholder · 09/07/2012 16:55

I didn't enjoy it 24/7 but I thought it was good about 80% of the time! Xenia will not let this one lie it is becoming troll like as she talks of nothing else and so is definitely doing to provoke. Would love to meet her children I suspect they may have a different tale to tell!

spartafc · 09/07/2012 17:14

I'm a SAHM/housewife and I have to admit that I think I have damaged my DS. Just this morning, as I was taking his cycle helmet off - I pinched the skin under his chin in the clasp.
I cannot say with any certainty that I wouldn't have done this if I had a job, but it would appear that the 'research' suggests so.
Bugger.

RedMolly · 09/07/2012 17:15

That article reminds me why i don't get my news from newspapers, especially the torygraph. No work-related stress then?

I had a career, worked bloody hard for it, had a breakdown, no job when i came out the otherside. I'm now a sahm - not because i couldn't have rebuilt a career, but because i didn't want to. My choice. If you don't like it that is your problem. I'm quite happy for you to do as you please.

I'd rather be down the beach or walking in the woods with my ds than travelling halfway across the country for totally unecessary meetings or being stuck in a boardroom talking bollocks.

kerala · 09/07/2012 18:27

Anyone else have visions of the OP driving slowly around the streets in her BMW with a megaphone blasting her message at any SAHP she sees pushing a pram containing a child above 2 weeks old (2 weeks being the only acceptable time to take off after having a child apparently). She would shout "get back to work you lazy slacker you are letting your child down yourself down and worst of all women down and are a useless example to womankind" she would then pelt the recalcitrant parent with bread rolls.

Xenia · 09/07/2012 18:31

Someone has to get the message out juts as women had to push for the vote. Plenty of women were against it, just as plenty of women today think they shoud be at home whilst men earn money. We need to rid the country of sexism.

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Pendulum · 09/07/2012 18:31

I don't think the research suggests that SAHMs are 'damaging' children, that is just Xenia's gloss on it. If I have read correctly it claims that more SAHMs show signs of depression and mental illness than WOHMs.

I do think it's a shame that this 'debate' always descends into the same old mudslinging within approximately 3 reply posts. There is an issue that is worthy of discussion here, which is that for some women, the pressure to be an SAHM, to take to it like a duck to water, and to take all possible steps to continue doing it is a heavy burden. It's constructive to challenge the assumption that this is the only route to fulfilment for all women.

wordfactory · 09/07/2012 18:32

Oh come on.

If the best folk can do is call xenia jealous of SAHMs or lacking in confidence in her own choices...then it really is a poor show. Surely someone will soon rock up to call her DC unhappy.

Oh they already did...

mathanxiety · 09/07/2012 18:34

We need to pay women a real salary for working so hard at home.

bishboschone · 09/07/2012 18:34

Bla bla .. Change the record !!

Pendulum · 09/07/2012 18:36

Who is that directed at, bishbochone?

ColouringIn · 09/07/2012 18:38

Oh yaaaawwwwnnnnnn!!!!

Change the record Xenia, there's a dear.

ColouringIn · 09/07/2012 18:40

The trouble is that this IS Xania's gloss on it and she pisses people off. By all means have a debate but don't dismiss those mothers who WANT o be SAHM's - which is what Xenia IS doing.

Kellamity · 09/07/2012 18:40

That article made me laugh out loud! What a load of bollocks Grin

mathanxiety · 09/07/2012 18:40

'I'd rather be down the beach or walking in the woods with my ds than travelling halfway across the country for totally unnecessary meetings or being stuck in a boardroom talking bollocks'.

You know, that's exactly what goes on. It is all such a load of idiocy. You could get it all accomplished from home, in your pajamas, in a fraction of the time.

Sittinginthesun · 09/07/2012 18:41

As I said on the last thread, I like having Xenia around. Don't always (usually Wink) agree with her, but it is good to hear another viewpoint.

wordfactory · 09/07/2012 18:45

Me too sitting.

I often disagree with her but U'm glad that there is someone so unapologetic about enjoying her work and family life...just like millions of men do.

The idea that women all want to be SAHMs or that they should want to be SAHMs is just so bloody sexist.

Pendulum · 09/07/2012 18:47

But Colouringin it would be so much more constructive if people refused to rise to the bait of the Xenia gloss (if they don't like it) and instead had a conversation about the research and the issues it raises.

The research is about the mental health of mothers and I was really pleased to see a discussion had been started about it, but in the space of a few posts it has been reduced to a case of "your kids are more f**d up than my kids".

YoYoYoItsTillyMinto · 09/07/2012 18:47

I like hearing Xenia's viewpoint. there are very few posters who are as positive about women working as her.

lots of posters say v negative things about WOH mums & this frequently gets ignored.

wordfactory · 09/07/2012 18:51

pendulum
As soon as there is any discussion raised about the fact that many women do not wish to be SAHMs we immediately dip into good parent/bad parent territory. And this is completely damaging for women.

Interestingly no one has ever accused my DH of being a bad parent because he has the temerity to work full time. No one has ever suggested he has wasted his life or that his DC want him to collect them from the school gate. Funny that.

AppleCrumbleAndFish · 09/07/2012 18:54

But xenia's view that very woman wants - or should want her lifestyle is also wrong. I really wouldn't want her lifestyle at all. I don't think it's wrong. It's just not what I want. How can Xenia not accept differing views. What will she say if one of her own DDs decides to have a different lifestyle. Will Xenia just keep repeating herself over and over as she does on here? Never listening to another point of view.

YoYoYoItsTillyMinto · 09/07/2012 18:57

Apple - but most SAHM say 'i wanted to do the best for my DCs'

like WOHM dont?

wordfactory · 09/07/2012 19:02

The way I see it, we need lots of positive models of mothers who work. Who are happy. Who have happy thriving DC.

Cos although, I don't currently WOH, there may come a time when I have to or want to and I'd like to think it would be perfectly possible to still be a good parent.

More importantly, all our DDs may have to or want to WOH. And I really don't want to pass a legacy of guilt to those girls if they also wish to be parents.

Mintyy · 09/07/2012 19:04

wordfactory
You have been here for yonks - aren't you just getting a bit y'know bored of Xenia's one-subject posting history by now?

When you take into account the hundreds of thousands of posters on Mumsnet very very few hold an extreme view in the sahm/wohm debate and I cannot think of ONE who is as consistently offensive as Xenia on the pro-sahm side, although am quite prepared to be corrected on that.

But, whatever, VERY few posters really care that much either way and so her posts are trolling in the truest sense ... she posts to stir up trouble.

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