We Believe You - continued

[Frontpaw]

The old thread was full. It was the first of a few I think.

I believe her

I believe her.

No, we don't have a perfectly good justice system, FourSquare.

We have a justice system that is set up to enable rapists to rape women and get away with it.

The vast majroity of rapes go unreported because victims know that there is no point going through the humiliation and trauma of reporting.

Of the tiny minority of rapes which are reported, only 6% end in a conviction , even thought the rate of false accusations is between 2-8%.

And even when a woman brave and determined enough is able to get a conviction, she is named and vilified and subjected to a bloody vicious hate campaign online. Some men who posted, threatened to rape her again if they ever met her. And they know who she is.

Anyone who starts crying justice when it comes to rape, just hasn't been concentrateing. There fucking isn't any.

How do you work that out FourSquare slap on the wrist for the perpetrator and a fucking life sentence for the victim and humiliation of them in the process.

I was violently raped aged 12 by a 45year old man, my step father, who was repeatedly sent home from court after being let off GBH charges as it was domestic violence.

There's no difference between a 12 year old sober child being raped than a drunk woman. It's the ultimate soul destroying, sickening violation.

I believe her and I would say to her, she's not alone in being hated, I have been, stay strong, you know who the sick people are

And yes I have a life sentence, horrific flashbacks of a violent rape and high levels of dissociation because of the trauma.

The rapists should get life.

FormSquare you don't seem to have any understanding of what this thread is actually about.

This isn't how we want justice in the UK to be handled. At all. That's the point. Threads like these, Facebook pages like these, they shouldn't be necessary. A vile crime was committed and the perpetrator has been sentenced. That should be the end of it.

But it isn't. So we are trying to make ourselves heard to make a fucking difference to the way rape victims are treated both politically and in the media.

And suggesting that we have 'a perfectly good system' when it comes to cases of sexual violence is a frighteningly ignorant thing to say.

Me to coffee knowing what a rape/abuse victim goes through when they go to the police imho no-one in their right mind would lie its to damn horrible she is honest.

Form - we are saying 'I believe her' because she has been raped, and the rapist has been convicted, but disgusting creeps on Twitter thought it was funny to abuse her, to post horrible, horrible comments about her and to break the law by naming her. The woman has not only suffered by being raped, but by being abused in public and by losing her legally-guaranteed anonymity. We are sending a message that the disgusting creeps who have attacked her are in the minority and there are lots of decent people who DO believe her.

I believe her

FormSquare, the courts have found this man guilty of rape.
His victim is being villified, whilst he, the rapist, is being held up as a sports hero and a wrongly-accused scapegoat.

Some of the comments about this woman is beyond belief.
Some of the rape myths being flung around would make your skin crawl.

Lots of people want to make a stand and show that they will not let this go unchallenged.

Showing victims of rape that they are believed is a vital statement, which reaches far beyond this individual case.

I believe her.

FormSquare

The #ibelieveher campaign (here, Facebook, twitter and anywhere else) is a reaction to the way this woman has been treated, even after "justice" was served. She's been vilified. she's been named. She's been silenced.

We're showing there's people on her side, and as admin of the FB page can tell you, we seem to be bringing other women out of silence too, even if it's only in a PM to the page. "I Believe her" can repair what the claims of the Ched supporters seek to silence

Formsquare - with all due respect, yes there is a system in place. But even the people who work WITHIN the system - the judges, barristers, solicitors, etc will say that the system does not work perfectly and sometimes does not work well. It will only work as well as the people within it are able to. Justice for rape victims and the fair handling of a rape case has come a long way even in the last 20 years, and is vastly different to how it was 50 years ago. Until one has had direct experience of the situation, one cannot begin to comprehend how much of it is stacked unfairly against the victim in the first place.

Utter shock and repulsion at what happened to Layla Ibrahim.

I believe her too.

I believe you

I believe her

I believe her.

So an internet based 'mob' is acceptable?

How many people putting 'I beleive her' are doing it to look cool on the t'interweb (like those rubber bands you see everyone wearing now adays in a desperate attempt to look caring) or even know the first thing (from primary source) about that case? Or Layla's?

I can't find a link now, but certanly one young lad was forced to leave home and hide due to a 'hue and cry' style mob and a false accusation of rape. Even AFTER the girl involved retracted, admitted she wasn't raped and the evidence (including CCTV evidence) as released. She walked around not a care in the world, he wasn't able to attend a family funeral!

The link I put in above had a young lads life wrecked for 15 months, the woman who accused him of rape got 12 months in nick. And there were no end of campagning for her name to be withheld... no such protection for innocent men, merely accused of being a rapist.

Rape cases are such an issue that, quite frankly, the Police MUST be absolutely sure that they are doing the right thing. Not just listening to some made up story from a mental case. The bloke is going to suffer in a big way, for hte rest of his life. Even if it turns out that the accuser was talking rubbish.

It isn't all about the raped woman. Her rights don't suddenly trump all because she claims rape. Jilted lovers, turned down women and utter nutters have all made false claims. And the way our society is once a mans name is in the papers with the word 'rape' then he may aswell go jump off a cliff.

Do carry on with your e-Mob.

"It isn't all about the raped woman. Her rights don't suddenly trump all because she claims rape".

I don't understand what your point is, but then you don't seem to understand the point of this thread either.

No-one is saying that her rights trump all.

Lots of people ARE saying that the victim of a convicted rapist deserves to remain anonymous, in accordance with the law.

Lots of people ARE saying that the victim of a convicted rapist does not deserve to be villified and become the focus of a hate campaign.

And they are saying that by grouping together to say it as loudly and in many places as possible, because this shit has gone on for way too long, and it is time things changed.

Do you understand what this thread is about, Formsquare? It is a support thread for a victim of rape (the rapist was TRIED AND CONVICTED) who has had to suffer her right to anonymity being removed.

It has nothing to do with false allegations of rape, which are of course deplorable, and everything to do with support for a young woman.

I object to your post on the grounds of irrelevance, and general decency. It reads as an apology for rapists.

Could you please stop repeating rape myths on a support thread for a rape victim FormSquare.

The police do not have to be any more careful with rape allegations than they do with the allegation of any other crime, becasue women do not lie about rape any more than anyone else lies about any other crime and the life and welfare of someone accused of rape, is not more valuable than the life and welfare of someone accused of any other crime.

To state or imply that this is the case, is to promote rape myths and on a thread to support the woman Ched Evans raped, that behaviour is disgraceful.

Please keep your misogyny off this thread.

FormSquare, you are quite misunderstanding the situation. The girl in the Ched Evans case was raped and her rapist was found guilty. What are you referring to?

So an internet based 'mob' is acceptable

No it isn't. The Internet based mob that vilified a poor young girl that was raped are disgusting human beings that need to be punished.

How many people putting 'I beleive her' are doing it to look cool on the t'interweb

Very few - none I know. Although by the same token how many of the disgusting specimens that villified this poor young girl and spread lie after lie about her are doing so to look cool to other Blades fans?

I can't find a link now Ohh theres a surprise.

but certanly one young lad was forced to leave home.... and certainly one young girl was vilified on the internet and in her home town called a slag and a slut, accused of lying, accused of doing it before, accused of crying rape because she opposed a rival football team. Is her treatment worse?

no such protection for innocent men, merely accused of being a rapist and no such protection for the victime of Ched Evan whose named was released, and was accused of lying about being raped.

the Police MUST be absolutely sure that they are doing the right thing They were sure, so was the CPS and so was the jury that conviced Ched Evan.

It isn't all about the raped woman yes it is - and glad to see you admit that she was raped.

And the way our society is once a mans name is in the papers with the word 'rape' then he may aswell go jump off a cliff and if the man is conviceted of rape - well frankly I hope he does.

Do carry on with your e-Mob Thank you, we will

I believed her then, I believe her now, I will always believe her. Ched Evan admitted he had sex with her, and admitted that she was drunk and incapable. He may not think that was rape - but thankfully the law does.

Take heart my love, if you are reading this, FormSquare is not a representative of the decent women and men on this site We believe you

FormSquare does not misunderstand. FormSquare is making a cynical effort to derail the thread and misrepresent it as a "mob".

How about you start a thread of your own, FormSquare, to air your opinions regarding the "made up stories of mental cases" and how they threaten the freedom of Britain's young men? This thread is clearly not the place for that particular discussion.