Saadia,Monkeytrousers and Peacedove...looking forward greatly to your comments on Abu Hamza's conviction.o

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does peacedove post anywhere else? Or do they have a 'child modelling' mentality about fundamentalist Islam? weird.

God that article about those schoolgirls has just made me feel ill.

How could people be so inhuman to suffering, terrified children in the name of God?

bloss occupier governments have often set up revolutionary or resistance groups to harm the image of the resistance/opposition.

i imagine peacedove would say that it is the bbc's biased reporting caligula and that it wasnt actually like that

Yes. I expect their families are biased as well.

bloss I read that article you linked to, it was criminal indeed. That Egyptian doctor doesn't lie, but I have lost contact with her, or I would have asked her to square her account with this article.

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Peacedove,
Was this directed at me or bloss?
"bloss occupier governments have often set up revolutionary or resistance groups to harm the image of the resistance/opposition."

If it was meant for me, it is a really weak bit of evidence. Just beacause some other unrelated people have done something in the past therefore you/they have done it in this instance. Sorry, not much in the way of logic there.

Why is this thread naming names in the title? Why not just a general discussion about the issue? Is this bullying?

uwila sorry uwila, I guess it answered questions from both of you.

I did not say I ahve evidence. I have no menas to find out, but I do not have any confidence in the US or other occupier governments' reports.

I don't think it is is Rhubard. Let's keep this one civil. Lot's of threads are named with peoples names to attract their attention.

Well, let's not make accusation that have no supporting evidence?

makes it easy for you then peacedove

if you never have to back up what you think then you can say whatever you like

the thread is anming names because specific questions are asked by individuals, and being answered so as to ientify what answer refers to which questioner.

It isn't bullying, but if it causes distress to anyone, I will drop the practice.

How do you expect me to get the evidence? Go there and join him, and then work my way to his confidence?

No thanks!

Fair enough. It's just that people are starting to question why they come on Mumsnet because of all the bad feeling that is going around. I have recently recommended this site to someone who desperately needs help, I don't her to be put off from posting by threads such as "why do I bother to come on Mumsnet'. I know this thread is nothing to do with that, but it's all linked you see, from the Muslim cartoon thread, to the other cartoon thread, to the 'I'm leaving Mumsnet' threads to this one.

I dare say if the US and Israel had in fact created Zarqawi, ther would be some evidence floating around. Surely the Guardian would get their hands on it. And so would a lot of other papers. So perhaps the absence of evidence is enough to confirm that your accusation is in fact just plain wrong.

bloss those that are bombing are always being attributed to Zarqawi, and Zarqawi to the resistance.

The situation is very muddled.

urwila the US ahs done this in the past. The US has created terrorists groups. And its record has not been truthful.

Has anyone read the interview with Abu Hamza's ex-wife? He kidnapped their son and told him she was dead and then brought him up as a terrorist. Great father.

What I find quite repulsive about this man, is that he appears to have been quite happy to manipulate impressionable young men (including his own son, whom he deprived of his mother) into carrying out dangerous acts of terrorism or resistance, whatever you want to call it, while he was quite happy to sit safely in a mosque and make pronouncements. What other parent would egg their son on to danger instead of doing it themself?

At the risk of turning this into a debate about his parenting skills.

You have a point there, about the Guardian, but I do think this has been mentioned as a possibility by Robert Fisk, and other figures not so appreciative of the US attempts to introduce democracy and stability in the Middle east.

Ah, Rhubarb. These threads you mention are most certainly neither the first or the last mud slinging fests on Mumsnet. I've been in the middle oof them, I've been the subject of them, and I've enev started them (unintentionally). But we learn to move on and we come back to Mumsnet because we love it. Chances are your friend will too.

I agree with Uwila.

Don't faint, Darling.

Hope so! Not friend but someone who came across my website, she sounds desperate and I thought if anyone could help her, Mumsnet could! Just hope she comes on the right day that's all!

Caligula not to defend him, but he did take part and lost one eye and two arms, so perhaps he had to ahve a desk job now, not being fit for active duty on the front?