Saadia,Monkeytrousers and Peacedove...looking forward greatly to your comments on Abu Hamza's conviction.o

[moondog]

Rhubarb,you're not being called a fascist and a racist.
You say some eminently logical things.

Never assume that the hysterical accusations of one or two people are a reflection of the way everyone else thinks.
They're not I promise you.

I didn't see the threads abut Allah, I would have been there, am new on this forum.
I don't take kindly to insults abut Jesus either.
I don't think any religion should be insulted, ask those that go around doing it.
you have said some disgusting things about prophet Muhammad, as well you know young lady.
I do not have any postcards at present.

Hmmm,that was eloquent snb.

really moondog, oneof my worst efforts.
Am always at my wot b the time I get on here, have headache after putting kiddies to bed, and get lotsof sleepless nights from teething baby, am like zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You people are just too sarcastic.
Very hard to tell on a forum
And very sensitive

lalalalalalalalalalalalallaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Don't take things so personally Rhubarb.
There are just some who disagree with you.

rhubarb, post of 4.09.
he did not have sex with a child.

that is the only thing i am saying, and that you dont seem to be getting.
it is not ok to make fun of jesus, or moses, or anyone else. and i would hope that i have never been guilty of it. as you said, mohammed was just a man, not a god, but he was NOT a 'kiddy fiddler' as you put it earlier.
as was mentioned by some others, it was a marriage of political convenience. she lived with her father until she became of adult age, as described in that society, when she then moved to the household of mohammed. consummation did not ooccur till afterwards.

as for the rest of this thread, tbh, i dont know what it is about, and im not interested in getting into a debate about religion/faith etc right now. maybe some other time. but it is healthy to have reasoned debate. so enjoy everyone!

rhubarb, as i tried to explain, a long time ago, regarding the cartoons.
muslims, generally have NO sense of humour with respect to the prophet. they dont evven call boys by the name mohammed. personally i think the entire debacle is just plain silly. im thinking rules of the school playground here. 'sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me'?
i think there are always those people who are looking for any reason for a fight. i wouldnt put it past some of those warmongerers to have drawn the cartoons themselves. iyswim.

They don't call boys by the name mohammed? But mohammed, in its various different spellings, is one of the top UK names, stitch - are you suggesting it's being used by non-moslems?

no, i mean that they will officially call the child mohammed, but never actually call him by it.so for example, mom has five brothers, all called mohammed something surname. but not one is called mohammed. dh and his two brothers are the same! he is only ever called mo at work.
both ds's have mohammed in their names, but i did insist that it be their middle name, as i was sick of answering the phone at mil's house and having to ask for a dob to identify which brother !
silly isnt it?

See 2005 here:

Mohammed at 23
Muhammad at 56
Mohammad at 70

it;s something to do with not showing disrespect! as in, mohammed, go sit on the potty!
or some such.
completely barmy.

Ah, I see what you mean, stitch, sorry (your post wasn't there before!)

Why use the name at all then if it's so sacred?

who knows?
conpletly loopy, but i think its just cultural.

stitch this is rather wrong: " i wouldnt put it past some of those warmongerers to have drawn the cartoons themselves. iyswim."

JanH, Muslims are often identified with the the name "Muhammad" before their names, or the name "Ahmad" after. There is no harm in calling by the name Muhammad, only not in a disrespetful way.

When in my childhood I answered a question by total stranger as to what my name was with "peacedove", he gave me a history of my family, the names of all in the extended family, and then told me that our names should reflect our Muslim identity. Then when he asked me again to tell him my name, I said "Muhammad peacedove Ahmad".

What stitch has said is not universally true among Muslims. What is universally true is that we do not accept a slight on the prophet (pbuh). I should think it to be possible not to accept our prophet as one, without being nasty.

A civilised society is polite. That is all we expect from our neighbours regarding the prophet.

Our concept of the prophets is somewhat different from OT. We believe them not to be infallible, but being protected from sin by God.

PD,in that respect,you are no different from devout Christians who would rather that people weren't disrespectful about Jesus.
However,only the Christian nutters would then threaten to kill those who were.The rest would probably be hurt and annoyed but not driven to violence.

I gather yesterday's demonstration passed off peacefully. That is a little more civilised!

(I have known scores of Mohammeds in my time.)

PD,in that respect,you are no different from devout Christians who would rather that people weren't disrespectful about Jesus.
However,only the Christian nutters would then threaten to kill those who were.The rest would probably be hurt and annoyed but not driven to violence.

I gather yesterday's demonstration passed off peacefully. That is a little more civilised!

(I have known scores of Mohammeds in my time.)

PD,in that respect,you are no different from devout Christians who would rather that people weren't disrespectful about Jesus.
However,only the Christian nutters would then threaten to kill those who were.The rest would probably be hurt and annoyed but not driven to violence.

I gather yesterday's demonstration passed off peacefully. That is a little more civilised!

(I have known scores of Mohammeds in my time.)

PD,in that respect,you are no different from devout Christians who would rather that people weren't disrespectful about Jesus.
However,only the Christian nutters would then threaten to kill those who were.The rest would probably be hurt and annoyed but not driven to violence.

I gather yesterday's demonstration passed off peacefully. That is a little more civilised!

(I have known scores of Mohammeds in my time.)

PD,in that respect,you are no different from devout Christians who would rather that people weren't disrespectful about Jesus.
However,only the Christian nutters would then threaten to kill those who were.The rest would probably be hurt and annoyed but not driven to violence.

I gather yesterday's demonstration passed off peacefully. That is a little more civilised!

(I have known scores of Mohammeds in my time.)

Sigh. I would be good if I didn't have to explain every post by people actually taking the time to think about what me and others are trying to communicate (difficult concept I know) rather then assuming it's the direct opposite of their position.

'shades of grey not black and white'

what was it George Orwell once said?