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Saadia,Monkeytrousers and Peacedove...looking forward greatly to your comments on Abu Hamza's conviction.o

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moondog · 07/02/2006 23:17

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peacedove · 08/02/2006 09:02

pappadam, very very sorry. Banglore, so you are from the Silicon Vlley of India!

lars · 08/02/2006 09:04

Peacedove, Check what there found in the moss!

lars · 08/02/2006 09:04

Peacedove, Check what they found in the moss!

peacedove · 08/02/2006 09:07

I looked at what they found in the mosque, but what I am confused about is this:

We help establish training camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan for the Mujahideen so as to oust the occupier Soviet army from Afghanistan. Yet when the ame Mujahideen try to ooust the occupiers from other lands, they are terrorists.

poppadum · 08/02/2006 09:08

Thank you for that apology, PD. Yes, I am.

morningpaper · 08/02/2006 09:12

But at least his disabilities didn't stop him from having a great career eh?

Not bad for a chap with no hands and one eye

poppadum · 08/02/2006 09:12

regardless of Hamza's statements on the freedom fighters/terrorists in afghanistan, i think this one sentence of his, reported in today's Guardian, is sufficient to prosecute for incitement to murder.
" If a woman, even a Muslim woman is nude, and you cannot cover her up except by killing her, it is legitimate."
and more: "A woman who is wearing a miniskirt is actually confiscating people's money. You can't call her a civilian" when asked if civilians could be killed.

and on homosexuals "They should be stoned to death."

Enough said. It's a failure of the British state that this man was able to live here for so long, and claim benefits of a 1000 pounds per week.

uwila · 08/02/2006 09:15

Benefits of £1000 per week? Where's that benefit on offer then?

uwila · 08/02/2006 09:17

Thanks, Peacedove. I'll try not to jump to conclusions based on limited knowledge of your beliefs. I appreciate your clear, calm, and factual writing style -- a nice change from that other thread.

lars · 08/02/2006 09:17

poppadum. I totally agree with you, the state are to blame for letting him stay here for so long and do something about him before!! larsxx

poppadum · 08/02/2006 09:19

My part-time nanny, who is Indian, is struggling to get her visa renewed. This poor woman supports her family of six back in India, pays tax and NI here, works 16 hours a day, and has never so much as taken a penny from the state. In her last session with immigration, they told her they could not see any good reason for her to stay. many of her friends are in a similar situation.

Perhaps she should hole up in Finsbury Park Mosque. Sorry for getting all heated up, but I do think the British government works in incomprehensible ways.

morningpaper · 08/02/2006 09:21

PD The BBC have a brief profile of him here news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4644960.stm

lars · 08/02/2006 09:30

Poppadum, You are so right, this is the problem and is totally unfair. I'm afraid Hamza should never have been let in, but he married a british girl, no doubt for her passport so he could stay.

I'm afraid the equal balance is unfair and the system needs to be tough and root out the bad. larsxx

crumpet · 08/02/2006 09:37

Poppadum, your post about female nudity reminded me of a newspaper article I saw in Bahrain last autumn. A girls school was on fire, with some girls trapped inside. Because they had lost/damaged their clothes in the fire, it was deemed too immodest for them to be brought out, so they were left inside and died.

poppadum · 08/02/2006 09:37

Today's Guardian carries views from mainsteam Muslim organisations, all of whom condemn Hamza. I don't really believe Hamza represents the majority of Muslims in this country.
Or at least, I can't bring myself to believe it.

I am going to put on my mini and resume my spying activities now!

poppadum · 08/02/2006 09:39

Yes, crumpet, that horrific incident actually happened in Saudi Arabia. I am in no position to cast stones though, because equally horrible incidents happen in my own country. But yes, the Quran too literally applied or misconstrued can be a terrible thing. So can all religous books.

bloss · 08/02/2006 09:50

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peacedove · 08/02/2006 09:52

What I know from an Egyptian female doctor in Madinah at the time, this incident did not take place, and was just a lie.

peacedove · 08/02/2006 09:53

yes bloss, those who attack the civilian population are terrorists. But in this age of media manipulation, how can I be sure Zarqawi is not a US/Israeli creation.

Caligula · 08/02/2006 09:54

Blimey, I wonder how Abu Hamza's wife ever got to take a bath?

What a horrific incident Crumpet.

bloss · 08/02/2006 09:55

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bloss · 08/02/2006 09:57

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saadia · 08/02/2006 09:57

Just for the record I would like to say that IMO Abu Hamza is a thoroughly nasty piece of work who ought to have been stopped a long time ago.

Also, to clarify, because clarification is obviously needed, on that other thread I was talking about the introduction of Islamic law in "my ideal society" - one where it was introduced through legal democratic means, not through force or violence.

Caligula · 08/02/2006 09:58

The Times have interviewed Abu Hamza's wife

here

uwila · 08/02/2006 09:58

That's preposterous, Peacedove. How or even why would the US/Isreal "create" Zarqawi?

And there are Iraqis who are glad that the US and allies toppled Sadaam. But "this age of media manipulation" doesn't report them.