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Soham Murder trial

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codswallop · 05/11/2003 12:04

I am sure this must be indescribably Painful for the parents , But I was thinking in bed - what if I had been selected for that Jury service....

I am soooooo emotional and i reckon that this would seriously affect me for the rest of my life (not saying it wouldnt for others natch).

I know you cant get out of Jury Service But God - how would you cope?

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TheGrinch · 18/12/2003 10:54

Also, Twinkie, banning someone for ONCE being ACCUSED of rape would be a bit harsh. People do make up accusations.

GladTidings · 18/12/2003 10:55

Sigh!

Her story:
Deluded as she may have been........

She lied to the police as she knew that they would concentrate on his previous accusations and assume it was him. She firmly believed he had NOT murdered the girls and also thought that if she gave him an alibi it would force the police to concentrate on finding the REAL killer....

Twinkie - Perhaps she didn't look in the boot of the car! Why is it SOOOOO inconceivable that MC beleived IH over everyone else???

There are mothers out there that believe their partners over their own children when they say they have been sexually abused by him!!!! That is a case of believing what you want to believe and deluding yourself from the facts.

I think this is the case with MC and feel that she is being punished enough without all the "SHE MUST'VE KNOWN" accusations.

WHY must she have known????

secur · 18/12/2003 10:56

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Twinkie · 18/12/2003 11:01

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TheGrinch · 18/12/2003 11:20

She knew about the one she alibi'd him for, in which the adult woman concerned said it wasn't him anyway (I think she didn't name him, the Humberside police actually did something right for once and brought him in, and she didn't identify him so the alibi was probably truthful). The one he was "fitted up for" preceded that, I think.

Doubt v much if she knew about the earlier ones. So as far as she knew he hadn't raped anybody.

BluStocking · 18/12/2003 11:20

In my own life, I would not 'give him another chance', and if I knew about those acusations, I would have walked,...and talked to the relevant people in authority, too, like the school.
BUT he must have had a talent for picking a vulnerbale gullible, malleable girlfriend, mustn't he? Abusers are able to BE abusers because of this talent, and plenty of women are unaware of the darker side of their partners nature, as a glance at many threads on this site will show.

In law, as a democracy, don't we HAVE to stick by the principle 'Innocent until proved guilty'? I can see the problem in that he wasn't ever convicted, but also given the notorious difficulties in getting a conviction for sexual offences, the polices terrible lapses in 'intelligence' will, I hope, leave some very troubled consciences within the Humberside force.

GladTidings · 18/12/2003 11:25

But Twinkie - There are many people (including some that post on Mumsnet!!) that remain in abisuve relationships for a long time! I personally wouldn't and don't understand those that do (including my own Mum).... but hey, they still do it!!

AND how long into the relationship did Huntley tell her. I dare say he didn't say "Right, before you fall head over heals in love with me I just want to warn you that I have been accused of rape"....

Twinkie · 18/12/2003 11:30

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GladTidings · 18/12/2003 11:39

How do YOU know what his behaviour was like Twinkie?? We only go by what the press has said and what they painted her to be. She was a stupid girl, who believed her lover when he said he didn't do it.

Think of these Husbands that stick by their wives when they have been accused of killing one or more of their own babies!! They believe their wife even though nobody else does.

Your comment "Noone is going to convince me..." really does mark an end to this particular discussion!!

But the fact is she says she REALLY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS HIM!!!!! So that makes your statement about her staying with a man she thought had murdered children kind of irrelevant.

It does seem you, like a lot of others, have decided to believe that she is evil too. Which I find sad.

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Twinkie · 18/12/2003 11:44

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GeorginaA · 18/12/2003 11:45

"Think of these Husbands that stick by their wives when they have been accused of killing one or more of their own babies!! They believe their wife even though nobody else does."

That's a very good point GT... it's so hard and I think it would depend on circumstances. If dh got accused of rape then I would stand by him - it would be so out of character to his personality and what I know of him, it doesn't matter how much or how little "doubt" there was. Obviously, if evidence turned up that was unshakeable then I would have to believe it and it would shake my world completely, but it wouldn't have stopped me believing in him before that evidence was known to me.

I wouldn't give him a false alibi though, but then I very much doubt he would ask me to. I would very much hope if I was ever falsely accused of something then he and the rest of my family would stand by me too - it makes me feel incredibly sad to see that people think this would be highly unlikely

Twinkie · 18/12/2003 11:48

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GladTidings · 18/12/2003 11:52

Nobody is saying that she isn't guilty of lying to the police Twinkie! (??) She did and she was found guilty in a court of law and sentenced to 3.5 yrs in prison!

Its the fact that you say she MUST'VE known that I find a bit incredible considering what you have been through.
Secur - Good point!! Twinkie have you checked the register for your DP's name??? Have you checked that he has told you the truth about everything in his past??

My DH used to have drug problem before I met him, that doesn't mean I will hold that against him for ever.

If it was your child instead of your DH that was accused of rape would you instantly assume guilt???? NO! I wouldn't! I would look for any glimmer of hope that they may be innocent and cling to it!

Northerner · 18/12/2003 11:56

I agree with Twinkie. MC must have known more than she let on, when you look at all of the facts it is ovbious to even an outsider that he was involved so to his live in lover it must have been blatant. An ex girlfiend of IH was on GMTV this morning and as soon as she saw IH interviewed on TV just after the girls had disapeared she called the police to alert them that he was a violent man.

MC will never lead a normal life now even if some people think she should. She lied to try and protect a child murderer simple as that. Even if she wasn't aware of the full facts at the time the general public will not offer her much sympathy, and rightly so. I know where my sympathy's lie and it's not with MC.

Northerner · 18/12/2003 11:57

I agree with Twinkie. MC must have known more than she let on, when you look at all of the facts it is ovbious to even an outsider that he was involved so to his live in lover it must have been blatant. An ex girlfiend of IH was on GMTV this morning and as soon as she saw IH interviewed on TV just after the girls had disapeared she called the police to alert them that he was a violent man.

MC will never lead a normal life now even if some people think she should. She lied to try and protect a child murderer simple as that. Even if she wasn't aware of the full facts at the time the general public will not offer her much sympathy, and rightly so. I know where my sympathy's lie and it's not with MC.

snowdonim · 18/12/2003 12:28

I've just heard a brief bit of a discussion on the radio, which I think is saying that in a society which has debates on lowering the age of consent to 14, it makes it harder to take seriously complaints about under-age sex with a 15yr old. That's an aspect I hadn't considered before, I must admit.

GladTidings · 18/12/2003 12:34

Snowdonim - I do agree. When I heard that when he was 18 he had consenting sex with a 15 yr old I thought "SO what"!! I was 15 when I met my 1st love and we had sex and he was 18, and I never once though of him as a child molester or paedophile! I was more mature than him.

Who was making the complaints against him? The girls??? Or their parents when they found out!

I just want to clarify that I think he is sick bastard that deserves to rot in prison, but lets not scrape around for more dirt that isn't really there.... its a bit of an insult is it not, to say that the authorities should've known he was dangerous after he had sex with a 15 yr old when he was 18!

If that is the case there are a lot of very dangerous 18 year olds walking the streets!

MincePie · 18/12/2003 12:38

So how does the 10yr old he was arrested for molesting when he was 24 fit into your theory?

Twinkie · 18/12/2003 12:39

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TheGrinch · 18/12/2003 12:50

Northerner, she didn't "lie to try to protect a child murderer". She lied to try and protect the man she loved from what she believed would be a frame-up. The police once came for him for a rape he hadn't committed, based on the previous offence which he was acquitted of - that was her experience of his contacts with the police.

Those outside could see what he was, yes, but she couldn't, because she wasn't on the outside.

TheGrinch · 18/12/2003 12:53

Think a timeline would be really useful here - "what Maxine Carr knew when". If anyone comes across one will they post a link?

Twinkie · 18/12/2003 12:57

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