BREAKING NEWS: P&G win gold on the mumsnet family awards (which they sponsor)

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Anyone else a bit cynical about this and think that P&G have basically 'bought' the award. My best friend and husband used to work there (how i met him) and I can guarantee they are anything BUT family friendly to work for!!!

There are no HR public relations of the type you describe! It's not that type of company.

I did not give a list of HR policies, I gave a list of benefits that P&G employees experience day-in day-out. I wrote them out off the cuff - no reference to company websites.

The core hours at P&G are 37.5 hours per week. If someone wants to go the extra mile, they maybe work 50 hours per week. If they can't hack it, they may work 60 hours per week. This has nothing to do with being a parent. It is far more likely to happen in the first five hours of working in a management position, which is unlikely to coincide with parenthood.

Now, it is possible that there are odd occasions where more hours are needed, coinciding with a launch, or perhaps an emergency where damage control is needed. The vast majority of P&G employees take these event in their stride and enjoy being part of a team. Everyone knows that some employees have outside commitments (eg family) and their time to take more of the load will come.

You may find someone's third hand experience compelling, but it's not very discerning.

Fairly factually-based, Jane. Do I need an agenda?

Mindthegapp

Your detailed knowledge is.....intriguing.

Really?

Always resort to personal attack when you can't think of anything else.

Why don't you stick to the facts? Tell me how P&G does not deliver on the benefits I posted. That would be more conducive to debate.

So why are you arguing?

Why not just do what I am doing and wait for those who have a friend of a friend who did some temp work to share their expertise?

that's exactly it! (and to be fair it's not just P&G) - policies do exist but they mean zero in reality. I'm sure most people have a contract of 37.5 hours but don't clock off automatically at 5.30pm because their contracted time is up.

mindthegapp - are you sure you're a teacher??!
If you are that explains why you think agency personnel are not accountable to the client!!! Agencies are paid by clients.

It's also making me smile that the person supporting P&G so 'passionately' is being very agressive about it!

My personal experience is none of your business.

I gave a list of tangible and real benefits, which you can either agree with or refute (with evidence).

agree with benandholly VERY odd posts!

Agency personnel's pay and conditions have nothing to do with the client, outside of health and safety. For example, don't expect P&G to pay for paternity leave of a TPP.

Give me an example of someone building their career who does the minimum hours in any company. A P&G staffer starts at around £30k - they are expected to do what needs to be done in order to advance. If they work minimum hours or take a child care break, their career progression will slow down - but it won't stop. When the time comes, they pick up where they left off. Not many places let this happen.

I had no opinion on P&G before but MTG's bizarre defence of them makes me think something is up..!

My posts might seem odd, berries, but yours have been very lacking in substance. I am waiting for you to post something worthy of a good discussion.

Any ideas as to what that might be, dunder?

this is getting weird mindthegapp - are you actually the person who arranged the 'partnership' with mumsnet which resulted in the gold family friendly award?!

Dunder
Quite!

If you do work for P&G, Mindthegap, and are trying some juvenile double bluff ('honestly, I'm a teacher'), pleaselet me assure you that your posts are having quute the opposite effect than presumably intended.

The thing is that if the line managers are the ones responsible for abiding by/managing the policies this can vary greatly. I recently left another of the enormous companies included and one of the reasons was the variation in adherence to policies and practice. Some managers are very supportive but others are just arses. The companies do need to ensure their managers actually support and uphold the policies and I think that's probably where they fail rather than across the board.

i like discussions on here but am not really into mumsnet arguments and aggression and i think this is where this is going so mindthegapp if you love P&G so much then good for you :)

Really it's a shame you are a teacher and can't take advantage of their policies if you really believe in them so much.

Mindthegappp - you are doing some weird shit here.

Belle - you're spot on! The old 'at your line manager's discretion' gets wheeled out every time doesn't it!! Hope you've found somewhere better now :)

The reason I think your posts are strange MTG (and I don't think I'm the only one!) is that you seem so pro-P&G as to be almost evangelical but also defensive and evasive.

I work for a company that offers almost all of the things on your list but I also agree with what others say that the interpretation of policies is often down to the manager's arseness or otherwise as to how family-friendly they actually are in practice. So in this respect I would say that my employer is pretty good but certainly not perfect - and I like where I work!

You won't disclose how you know so much about P&G (or even give a convincing lie!) but seem to be dodging this question and getting angry with other people giving their opinion on the company.

Therefore, for someone who previously wouldn't have thought in much depth about this award and how genuine it was, it is raising lots of questions in my mind.

Instead of trying to get to the bottom of my motives (which is futile) how about just debating the points I have made? I have noted great reluctance to do this.

Earlier in the thread, I made a list of 'family friendly' practices at P&G. Either agree or disagree with them. If you disagree, what evidence do you have to the contrary? If you agree, can you give an illustration?

Also, what do you think makes any company family friendly? Is there a gold standard that we can use to judge all other companies?