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BREAKING NEWS: P&G win gold on the mumsnet family awards (which they sponsor)

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iloveberries · 03/11/2011 14:25

Anyone else a bit cynical about this and think that P&G have basically 'bought' the award. My best friend and husband used to work there (how i met him) and I can guarantee they are anything BUT family friendly to work for!!!

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GetOrfMo1Land · 04/11/2011 10:42

lol at 'sniffing regenerist'

The best thing about this thread (as usual on MN threads) was when it went subversive 'pantene gave me herpes'

JaneBirkin · 04/11/2011 10:44

I was practically crying this morning at 'Olay gave me the bad AIDS'

sorry I know that's terrible but I couldn't help it. My kids thought I was having a seizure.

JustineMumsnet · 04/11/2011 10:45

@Mum1369

Wincing at the patronising blurb from P&G on the copy link under the 'gold award'

Yes what you should get a full explanation from us about why each award winner won the award they did and the audit process involved. We will rectify soonest.

EverybodysScaryEyed · 04/11/2011 10:45

It's a bit like a sports day - everyone who took part got a prize!!

Ultimately this survey is a bit rubbish because you don't have sector comparatives. You can't compare P&G and easyjet. It would be far more interesting to compare P&G to Johnson & Johnson etc

Sure they didn't nominate themselves/agree to take part but that is their decision - companies these days do a lot of these surveys and they can't do every one. At my company we get randomly surveyed 3 times a year by 3 different organisations asking pretty much the same questions

I think the best places to work survey is more comprehensive (sunday times?)

Maybe next year mnhq can get a far bigger pool of participants

KatieMiddIeton · 04/11/2011 10:45

Justine!! Justine!! Please can I come and work for you doing Family Friendly stuff? It's right up my street and I've almost finished my masters in HR Management and one of my interests is family friendly policies (I'm doing my dissertation on factors influcencing retention after maternity leave). I'll do your survey stuff too if you want and I have some project management experience. I would love to help you poke around companies like P&G and flaming Talk Talk [would sell own granny for the right job emoticon]

Vickimumsnet · 04/11/2011 10:46

Hi

My company is the one that did the audit so I'm going to do my best to explain how it all worked - but can I say I'm really sorry first of all if anyone feels as though we've just given the awards away or sold them because that really wasn't what happened.

The process was that a company joined the scheme and we insisted that they complete both an internal and an external audit - precisely so that we didn't end up with a situation where a company was great for customers but rubbish for its staff.

We felt that had to be prepared to let us in for a good close look to join. My company did the internal audit, and Mumnsetters did the secret shopping where that was relevant (some companies who are in the programme like the law firm it obviously wasn't relevant).

For the internal audit, we asked them to submit all their policies and we asked them about their training and how they communicated the policies to staff. We were looking to see who just offered statutory minimum, who offered statutory plus and who offered enhanced statutory benefits and additional, worthwhile and innovative benefits. We then asked their staff in a confidential survey that came directly back to us.

Finally, we put all of that data together - internal and external - and scored it in order to work out which award to give.

Only 2 companies got gold and P&G was one of them. That was because in the policy information they had lots of policies that were above statutory minimum and some that were good family ways of working. Some simple like only having meetings in core hours so part time workers weren't discriminated against, through to help with finding childcare, return to work packages and so on. In their staff survey, 71% of respondents said they thought the company was gold. We had comments like 'my manager's put family first'.

We know that there are always going to be managers who are a bit rubbish - some companies in the programme who thought they would do brilliantly didn't do as well as they hoped because in all honesty their policies weren't put into practice. We're going to be de-briefing every company and highlighting the areas they need to work on and we'll take this to P&G to see if we can help them to sort it out.

I'm really happy to answer any questions about this or the programme as a whole so please ask away.......we really are trying to do a good thing getting companies to look at this and get better because we think it's shameful that the UK does so badly in the family friendly stakes.

We're trying to encourage, not kick, but we need to hear from as many people as possible to identify what's not working and encourage these big companies to sort it out. Will stop rambling. I'm not usually on the boards :)

KatieMiddIeton · 04/11/2011 10:47

Oh, and I am considerably less experienced cheaper than your independent auditor I'm sure.

thisisyesterday · 04/11/2011 10:48

Justine! Shock I can't believe you used a bad word!

LeBOF · 04/11/2011 10:48

Yes- give Katie a job! She understands us Grin

PatriciaHolm · 04/11/2011 10:48

So - there were 16 entrants, all of whom got an award of some description? Is that right? Effectively, only companies who applied to be in the running got judged; a self selecting sample, who had time and incentive to make sure their best face was presented. I would imagine a truly statistically significant, anonymous and unexpected survey would have very different results!

EverybodysScaryEyed · 04/11/2011 10:48

What is your company?

GetOrfMo1Land · 04/11/2011 10:49

Yes, give Katie the job and Katie can sabotage from within, get rid of the like posts idea, and kill the bear emoticon

JaneBirkin · 04/11/2011 10:50

Oh Vicki you sound really nice. Smile

JaneBirkin · 04/11/2011 10:50

but yes what is your company?

JustineMumsnet · 04/11/2011 10:51

@KatieMiddIeton

Justine!! Justine!! Please can I come and work for you doing Family Friendly stuff? It's right up my street and I've almost finished my masters in HR Management and one of my interests is family friendly policies (I'm doing my dissertation on factors influcencing retention after maternity leave). I'll do your survey stuff too if you want and I have some project management experience. I would love to help you poke around companies like P&G and flaming Talk Talk [would sell own granny for the right job emoticon]

Well we're not actively recruiting but we'd love to have a royal [snigger]... drop me a line at [email protected]

JustineMumsnet · 04/11/2011 10:52

@JaneBirkin

but yes what is your company?

P&G

EverybodysScaryEyed · 04/11/2011 10:53

No - what independent company did the audit?

GetOrfMo1Land · 04/11/2011 10:53

Once you are in Katie give these to tech and say NO MORE THAN 15 TOPICS MAX

JustineMumsnet · 04/11/2011 10:54

@EverybodysScaryEyed

No - what independent company did the audit?

I was joshing [soz] Vicki's company is called Parentzone (Previously ParentFocus).

KatieMiddIeton · 04/11/2011 10:54

Dammit. Cocked that up!

Vicki! Vicki! Gis a job! I am very cheap reasonable and professional.

GetOrfMo1Land · 04/11/2011 10:56

Thank god that was a joke - I seriously thought Justine meant that P&G did their own independent audit, I had my hands to my mouth thinking 'oh fuuuuuck it is going to kick off now....'

Vickimumsnet · 04/11/2011 10:56

Oh thankyou JaneBirkin :) My company is called The Parent Zone. We love working with Mumsnet because most of the time we do policy wonky stuff which can slip into the dull! Would love to talk more to KatieMiddleton because it sounds like she shares my slightly obsessive interest in family friendly policies and practices.

ColdSancerre · 04/11/2011 10:57

Vicki, the confidential staff surveys. Did all employers get to participate or a selection? If a selection who selected?

Vickimumsnet · 04/11/2011 10:58

Was serious by the way KatieMiddleton please come and see us!

JustineMumsnet · 04/11/2011 10:58

@GetOrfMo1Land

Thank god that was a joke - I seriously thought Justine meant that P&G did their own independent audit, I had my hands to my mouth thinking 'oh fuuuuuck it is going to kick off now....'

I really should have learned by now that my attempts at humour usually backfire...