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Dale Farm Eviction

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niceguy2 · 12/10/2011 17:43

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-15163750

It seems sanity has prevailed. Let's hope there are no more delays and the site is cleared ASAP

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glasnost · 19/10/2011 21:00

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Fifis25StottieCakes · 19/10/2011 21:02

They are breaking the law as they are no longer allowed to travel and havent been for a long time, fgs. Read some history of the travellers before you make comment on them

Blueberties · 19/10/2011 21:02

Math: there's no need to refer to a "gripe" as if it suddenly occurred to me. You've raised ethnicity as a reason why the travellers should be allowed to breach civil and criminal law, so I've addressed it.

If you can give a reason for ethnicity to justify breaches of civil and criminal alw - the same laws that apply to everyone else - then please do. Not wanting to live in a council house does not justify anything at all, except legally buying and developing your own property.

Ref: legal pitches: there are many in Essex and many vacant ones up and down the country.

Blueberties · 19/10/2011 21:03

"They aren't allowed to travel."

Yes they are. That is not true.

t0lk13n · 19/10/2011 21:05

Why don`t all the dogooders who went and protested ask them to loive with them....oh wait...not in their backyard!

I agree that part of it was illegal but they surely should have organised somewhere for them to go. Basildon council just want them to become someone else`s problem.

Fifis25StottieCakes · 19/10/2011 21:05

Im racist but other posters can tell the travellers to get the hell back where they belong, rightyo then Hmm

Blueberties · 19/10/2011 21:06

Glasnost: I think this is a last resort abuse thing from you.

I genuinely feel very uncomfortable with the nature of your last post and its references to Orthodox Jews, and also with fifi's earlier posts.

The rest is just insults and abuse towards me which is beneath me to address really.

moondog · 19/10/2011 21:09

Oh get a grip Blue.
Are you usually this willfully obtuse?

Fifis25StottieCakes · 19/10/2011 21:10

no there not blu, they can travel but not park anywhere for a break.

They coulnt even travel from bloody Newcastle to Appelby in their lovely Romany carriages as they couldnt stop to rest the horses.

The police and council had blocked all the normal reast points off

Blueberties · 19/10/2011 21:11

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glasnost · 19/10/2011 21:11

Pathetic Blueberties.

Fifis25StottieCakes · 19/10/2011 21:12

blue , please point out anything that was racist in my previous post about outhodox jews

Its on google and on their website, read it

glasnost · 19/10/2011 21:13

"A complete absense of any coherent thought any more."

And you DARE accuse others of being abusive. You are one of the rudest MNters I've come across.

Blueberties · 19/10/2011 21:15

Fifi: I feel very uncomfortable with your references to immigrants, Jews, Iraqis, asylum-seekers and so on. If you'd said that to me in a conversation, in my house, I'd have to say something.

Blueberties · 19/10/2011 21:18

Oh perhaps I won't ignore you glasnost.

That last comment is the only thing approaching rude that I've said.

For the rest, I've just been calm and very coherent, and that's the bit you don't like. You think that's arrogant, and you think therefore that I'm rude, in fact, "the rudest mnetter you've come across". No - read back. Not rude. Certainly not as rude as posters on the other side of the argument, by a long chalk. Just quite settled in my argument.

bubbles4 · 19/10/2011 21:21

Blueberties "Ref: legal pitches: there are many in Essex and many vacant ones up and down the country.".I think you have been misinformed there,the fact is ,is that there is a severe shortage of legal gypsy and traveller sites.I for one would be interested where these many vacant sites are.

Haggyoldclothbatspus · 19/10/2011 21:22

OK. this whole 90% rejection argument is really starting to bug me now.
Its a flawed argument. I read the local papers, check out the local planning department website. The majority of normal peoples planning applications are for extensions, sheds, knockdown and rebuilds, carports and infills.
Now I havent seen many Traveller applications, but lets assume that they are mainly to develop farmland/greenbelt land, things like that. Serious change of use.
Now we all have a fairly good grasp of planning laws. The first example, is of things which are generally within or fairly close to the boundaries of planning regulations. The second is totally without those boundaries. Its not persecution. Its planning.

As for the comments about Orthodox Jews not being persecuted, maybe that is because they live within the laws of this country. Ethnic Minority or not, laws are laws.

If ethnic minorities dont have to live within the laws of this country, whats to stop forced marriage, female circumsision, or even people exercising Sharia Law here in the UK.

As for the comment upthread, something like 'Good on them for not allowing themselves to be forced into a sewer estate'.
Yes, thats great, BUT, if they need to be housed, then, just like other people who need a home, and are forced to live in these places, they need to suck it up and accept the fact. A roof is a roof when you are desperate.
I myself lived on a sink hole estate. I grew up in a quiet country village, and found it unacceptable. But I needed a house, so I put up with it.
You cant play the homeless card and then turn down housing.

glasnost · 19/10/2011 21:22

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2old2beamum · 19/10/2011 21:22

Had enough of this thread apart from glasnost/crazynanna and other humane supporters I am off to special needs to people who care and where I obviously belong

bubbles4 · 19/10/2011 21:23

The fact is that some people still think it is okay to racially abuse gypsy,s and travellers ,it has often said they are they are the most abused ethnic minority in the uk.

Blueberties · 19/10/2011 21:26

I'm not a racist Hmm

You yourself criticised fifi for her posts about immigrants, asylum seekers and so on.

Was that on this thread or the other one? Certainly there've been posts which I do feel very uncomfortable with on that front. I'm not trying to lure fifi at all, she seems very able to express her point of view.

Fifis25StottieCakes · 19/10/2011 21:28

is it now racist to 'refer' to the Jewish having their own community which they have and are proud of and to mention immigrants being given preference for council housing which they are along with 4K which is fact.

sorry i didnt know i was racist.

glasnost · 19/10/2011 21:30

Anyway all those pro eviction should be satisfied tonight.

Why aren't you wallowing in smugness and celebrating the forced removal of ppl from their homes and the subsequent scattering and splitting up of their families instead of coming on MN to fight your corner (the victorious one)? Smacks of insecurity to me.

Haggyoldclothbatspus · 19/10/2011 21:32

"They coulnt even travel from bloody Newcastle to Appelby in their lovely Romany carriages as they couldnt stop to rest the horses."
Yes. because Appleby is sooo romantic and historical. Unless you look at it from an animal welfare point of view!
And is it okay to pitch up in laybys when there is a suitable Gypsy reason to do it?

Blueberties · 19/10/2011 21:34

Fifi: the combined nature of your posts just makes me feel incredibly uncomfortable: the whole immigrant-council house thing sounds a bit BNP to me.

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