Tottenham rioting

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has anyone heard? seems to be all over Twitter but not on other media
apparently police cars burning

To be honest the type of parents these children have been dragged up buy the parents are probably looting to

Felatio thats the case all the time tho now.I work with families in crisis and the kids are allowed out all hours,the parents cant seem to be bothered to set or implement boundaries but then call in ss if they are out of control and expect us to be able to work a miracle where they have failed even the bascic rules. When i worked in residential we frequently had local kids hanging around the home,one day it was 12 mn and 2 little boys of 9 and 10 wewre there,i called the police who took them home but they were back 5 mins later,the police say they csn do nothing which seems strange.
Our society has become tainted by "armchair parenting" taking the easy less stressfull option and letting someone else be affected by your children.

And sadly judges seem reluctant to remove children and place them with people who give a shit.

And won't have them looting at 3 am

maypole the problem is nobody wants them when they reach this stage,would you? The homes are all closed and good foster carers are scarce. The courts are reluctant to make orders when they are younger and this is when the damage is done,they then turn into difficult teens and nobody wants them,including their families. Early intevention is critical.

Very early intervention, and if a parent has one child removed they need to be sterilised.

so true Maypole, there are already 1000's of teenagers in care, no one wants a f*cked up teen in their home, if they remove all these kids from the parents where would they go?

That's why ledkr you really need to remove these children early on and we to stop holding on to the dream every parent can be a good one with support.

Because clearly thaw can't we cannot continue with these people who have vast amounts of children with no way to support them and the only way these children's basic needs can be even meet are with heavy ss intervention sometimes before even the child is born

Is my view if you cannot look after your child its time to take action and allow someone who can plenty of people waiting to adopt newborns

Thank yo I do know that nothing you can do for these lot but no doubt their parents will be popping out a few more in the coming years we can make sure they are brought up in a stable environment with people who don't think its ok to be out at 3 am looting and meeting you to pick up the booty

The police seem to have more control tonight, apparenty some youths have posted online saying 'they will wate until its dark so they can't be identified', i hope it doesn't get any worse tonight and i hope the police have it under control.

Sorry but I have had enough were I live has been smashed and bashed I am a prisoner in my own home

Because people cannot or will not provide boundaries for tier children no doubt they will be providing alibis for their children when the police come knocking

Some people should not be allowed to have children, i would be so ashamed if that was my children out smashing things up and setting fire to peoples cars and buisnesses, these parents have no control, they dont know where their kids are and they dont care what they are up too. Yesterday i saw what looked like a mother sending her boys into the sports shop to grab what they could, she was then looking at trainers that the boys had pinched and handed to her (to see if they would fit) .

Maypole Hope you are ok. At my level all we can do is make recomendations for removal after many other routes have been followed. Professionally i should say every childs his best with family,as a mother tho i disaggree and feels sad when i see the young babies who are born like yours and mine but have a bleak outlook.
I have 3 ds's and ruled with a rod of iron,i was on my own so had to. They were not allowed to just hang about and were in at reasonable times. They would have crapped themselves if they thought id see them looting on the tv,those kids dont seem to give shit.

Rubber Bullets are ready to be used tonight. Should make for interesting threads tomorrow.

Yeah there will be thousands of compo claims and all the do gooders will be banging on about police brutality!!!

We slept all in the bed kids and all oh had a big stick by the door

WE SHOULD HAVE TO LIVE LIKE THIS

Parents out with their kids looting and judges will say their better off with their families.
Their has been breakdown in the social order the children are ruling the adults and the police

The children keep saying know one is listening in my view we have been listing to the children to bloody much now its time they listen to adults

The "full force of the law" has let most of the arrested out to loot again and dished out non custodial sentences to those already dealt with.

What sane parent would have allowed their kids out last night?

We have no chance untill we punish appropriately and make parents responsible for their own kids.

Some of the kids interviewed last night said they were looting because "they've stopped the university money so we've got no future innit"

I wonder if this sense of entitlement has been instilled in them by work shy parents who get everything given to them and yoof workers who tell them they have no futures.
I ve worked with young people all my life and the worse they behave the more they get.That attitude has caused this.

Alouise as a child to parent who had older siblings taken into care do you think that I should never have been born?

That truly makes me a member of the underclass.

I read somewhere that we should sends these people to Thai prisons ...... I agree wholeheartedly and would contribute to the fare ... And include kids who are looting and trashing etc.

That would shock the scummy twats.

Because of course the Thai government would love to help out.

Twinkly - excuse me if I am wrong but you have said you have had a very harsh upbringing with no money. That is the impression I get from this and other threads. Are you out looting? Smashing windows? Pulling guns on people? Burring residential flats and shops? Beating up the odd person? I am presuming not. So if you aren't and you have had a crap life then why the fuck is it ok for these scum to be given an excuse?

Loving the photo in the media of the "poverty stricken" kid posing with all his stolen gear having used his own iPhone to take the picture!

Don't think they would twinkly but it is a nice idea.

Just like water cannons, tear gas and rubber ( or real) bullets are excellent ideas.

I am not out rioting because rather than condemning me people took an interest in me when I was younger. This included being invited to a youth group when I reached my teens, the kind of group that is currently being cut. As a bright dysfunctional child I was given the chance of a free further education in a top university , something else that no longer exists. When I messed up as a teenager the police did not turn up and read me the riot act instead I was introduced to a youth worker, again a service being cut. When studying for my GCSEs and ALevels i was able to use the local library so i had somewhere safe and calm to read , libraries are disappearing. . When I fucked up again in my early twenties schemes like Sure Start were there to help me get back on track , you have guessed it - they are being cut. As I pieced my life back together I was able to claim benefits which are now being cut. I was able to deal with the results of a dysfunctional childhood by accessing quality and free mental health services, I know these are facing cuts.

So yes I am not out rioting but that is because society invested in me rather than labelling me scum and pretending that I did not exist.

Twinkly - As a sister to an adopted boy I recognise that he was one of the "lucky" ones. He was in and out of hospital in his first year of life. Fortunately for him social workers went on strike, the police visited his wholly inadequate, abusive, negligent parents. They recognised the abject failings of the parents and removed my brother. He came to our family where he was looked after properly.

His parents went on to have numerous children with each other and other partners. Every single one of those children were subjected to horrific abuse while social workers fought to keep the family together. Eventually after it was realised that the boys had been sold into sexual abuse; all the children were removed. The youngest has now killed himself one of the boys is in and out of prison one of them ended up living in a community for very damaged children. Some of them have had families of their own, not successful, close knit families but the type who have to be monitored by social services.

They ruined their first child, they should never have been able to conceive more children to perpetuate the cycle at the very least each subsequent child should have been removed at birth.

Young men getting angry, disproportionately angry at the police...is this not classic transference, they've got a lot of anger to give and the police is the nearest thing they have to a parent figure.

I think it points directly at the parents...maybe absent fathers, maybe just fathers undeserving of these kids' respect. Or mothers, or anyone...but the anger comes from somewhere and it's misdirected.

We have to be careful how we bring up our children. The deep, deep divide between kids who have had a shitty life with no money or proespects and are out on the streets doing this, and kids who have had a shitty life with no money or prospects and are NOT out on the streets doing this needs to be at the forefront of everyone's consciousness.

Why aren't those kids causing trouble? Because they have at least one loving and suitable parent.

This isn't political and it doesn't start from the top down. It is ALL about parenting and it starts very much from the bottom up.

I guess education is at the root, as in teaching people about being parents. These people have a very ingrained sense of how to do things though so it will be very hard indeed to change that.

Generations upon generations letting their tiny children scream, laughing at them, not giving them anything to eat and strapping them in a buggy for the night while they get drunk and can't hear them crying, slapping them in the street for a minor misdemeanour, general mockery of their kids and these children's innate needs.

This is what breeds anger and contempt for authority. This is where the damage begins.

Alouise I was never sold into abuse but my story is not a million miles away from that especially when you look at my family as a whole . Am I right in thinking that you think I should never have been born because of my parents mistakes and because I was always going to cost the tax payer a lot to "fix"?