Top intelligence analyst for Yorkshire police says 7/7 was false flag

[Kurkum]

Top police intelligence whistleblower is sacked for reporting to his seniors that 7/7 has the hallmarks of state terrorism.

"Tony Farrell had been employed for twelve years as ?Principle Intelligence Analyst? for South Yorkshire Police, 13th largest of the 44 police forces in the UK. His job involved producing a yearly ?Strategic Threat Assessment Matrix? to determine how the police force had to prioritise its activities.

Assessed ?threats? ranged from ASBOs (anti-social behaviour orders) to the terrorist threat presented by local mosques. Having a statistics degree, it was his job to translate the different ?strategic threats? into a ?matrix? of relative numerical weighted probabilities.

In 2010, one week before the 5th anniversary of 7/7, Tony (who had never previously doubted government versions of events) stumbled across ?9/11 Truth? material on the web. Like so many millions before him, he was shocked to the core by this experience. He quickly realised that there was a great mass of evidence relating to 9/11 kept hidden by the mainstream media. As a Christian, Tony consulted his church minister, who suggested that he consider, whether the same might be true for the London 7/7 bombings?

Something he had not suspected ?in his wildest dreams? then started to unfold. After reading much of the available but publicly-unreported witness statements and other evidence relating to 7/7, Tony found that he could only conclude that the official 7/7 narrative was ?a monstrous lie.? Instead of the official ?suicide bombers? narrative, which he and all of his colleagues had believed without question, he realized that the weight of evidence strongly points far more towards 7/7 being an event stage-managed by British intelligence than anything else."

Watch an interview with Tony Farrell and read the rest of the article:
www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/10/uk-police-intel-expert-government-not-islam-real-terror-threat/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=uk-police-intel-expert-government-not-islam-real-terror-threat

Sibel Edmonds rose to prominence when she spoke out against Condoleeza Rice's claims that the US authorities had no warnings pre-9/11

That's a legitimate topic for debate. The White House anti-terrorism expert whose name escapes me for the moment (Richard Clarke?) has also indicated warnings were not recognised or in some cases heeded. However, it is also true to say there were too many warnings to check out and not enough intelligence data to help sift the ones worth further investigation from teh ones not worth further investigation.

However, that does not mean that Sibel Edmonds' extrapolations or inferences are valid. Nor does the mere fact warnings went unheeded point to a conspiracy. It is just as consistent with incompetence. Edmonds was a contract translator for the FBI, but that does not of itself necessarily give her wider criticisms any particular validity, if they extend beyond things she directly experienced as a result of her translator role

Puddlejumper -- "my earlier criticisms of your assertions about Tony Farrell ..."

What assertions? Did I assert something about Tony Farrell?

You started the whole bloody thread wanting us to believe Tony Farrell's story..... do try to keep up.

I remember reading a comment on one of these websites about 7/7. It questioned the evidence of a witness who said he had been on a different train than one of the bombed ones but was still badly injured. This was leapt upon by the conspiraloons as evidence of a conspiracy. It was in fact complete rubbish. The poor witness had a serious head injury and didn't even realise he had been on the bombed train as his memory of the bomb didn't exist. I know he was there as he was sitting two seats from me and I remembered exactly where I was!

Puddlejumper, my first post is a cut-and-paste from a news article. My only assertion was that a top police intelligence whistleblower had been sacked for reporting to his seniors that 7/7 had the hallmarks of state terrorism.

So your reason for posting was that you want us to feel sorry for a man who gets sacked?

Puddlejumper, if you make references to my assertions, it would help if I had asserted something. Otherwise the conversation gets confusing. Sorry for being so pedantic :).

MollieO: Do you seriously expect me to believe that a guy who loved pork chops, lived with a stripper and spoke fluent Hebrew was an Islamist suicide bomber?

Mohamed Atta loved pork chops, and 49 other things you may not know

Just how thick are you Kurkum. What better way to divert attention from yourself as an islamist terrorist wannabe than to behave like one of the decadent westerners you plan to destroy? You know? Merge into society....?

I'm afraid Kurkum the reality is very mundane even if you choose not to believe it. You don't need brains or religious devotion to be a suicide bomber. In fact you probably have to be pretty thick to want to do something like that and think it will make a difference.

Cogito, perhaps you can calm down, stop flinging insults and read this story in The Telegraph, a mainstream, well-respected newspaper.

'Tony Amos, the manager of Shuckums Oyster Bar and Restaurant in Hollywood, just north of Miami, was interviewed by the FBI and he and his barman and a waitress all identified Atta and his cousin as some hard drinkers who propped up the bar last Friday.

Atta's bill for three hours of vodka drinking came to $48 (£33). When he drunkenly disputed the charge, Mr Amos intervened. "Of course I can pay the bill," Atta told him. "I'm an airline pilot."'

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1340519/FBI-tracks-down-the-Florida-lair-of-flying-school-terrorists.html

It is part of the official story the one you claim to believe that Atta was a heavy-drinking guy whose credit card was traced to a lap-dancing club. If you'd followed the story more closely, you'd have known that.

Well, there's a bit of a hole in that story as airline pilots (especially in the US) are extremely poorly paid. In fact many of them have to take second jobs in order to afford to eat.

Puddlejumper -- "you sound as though you believe the claims you pasted into in your OP". If you were interested in knowing what I personally believe regarding 9/11 and 7/7, all you had to do was ask :).

I believe that the official story stinks. It has holes so big that you can put your arm through them. As for what really did happen, there are various versions that sound a good deal more credible than the government versions, but I really have no opinion as to which are right and which are wrong. :)

I'm calm..... but you'd try the patience of a saint. You seem determined to flog the same dead horse. Just because a man drinks heavily, goes to a lap-dancing club and eats pork chops it doesn't mean he isn't an islamist extremist undercover secret agent. That's not even close to a logical train of thought.

Famous russian spy Guy Burgess was a rampant homosexual with an alcohol problem.... didn't stroll around Cambridge wearing an 'I love Lenin' t-shirt and singing The Red Flag... which is probably why it took so long for them to catch him.

Cogito, your behaviour is foul. Do you often go around calling people "islamist terrorist wannabes"?

Is that what you do when you run out of arguments? Do you even know the first thing about me -- do you know one single thing about my religious convictions and ideological beliefs?

kURKUM - that post was quite clearly talking about Atta, not you. If you read it prperly it is quite clear what cogito is saying

Nancy, point taken -- I read it in a hurry.

So, Cogito, Atta was an intelligence asset, now? Or a suicide bomber? They're not the same, you know.

Still struggling aren't you? No wonder you love conspiracy theories with comprehension skills that poor.... (Intelligence asset? WTF?) All the 9/11 terrorists were clearly Al Quaeda people working/living undercover in the USA, waiting for instructions.

Cogito, perhaps you would care to put your mind to work on the Flight 77 cell phones conundrum. I look forward to your solution. The task is to reconcile Ted Olson's account of phone calls about Arabs with boxcutters from his wife's hijacked plane with the FBI and Pentagon's narrative, according to which there were no cell phone calls from that plane.

FBI: 9/11 cell phone calls from jets did not happen
"It turns out the story Ted Olson told about getting a call from his wife on the hijacked flight 77 during the 9/11 attacks was not physically possible. He was either duped or he lied."

Which was it, Cogito? Were cell phone calls to him faked? Or did he lie? And if he lied this is a potential nominee to the Supreme Court we are talking about here then why?

Struggling, are we Cogito ;)?

Ted Olson's Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three Official Denials

Let's not talk about a 'cell phone condundrum', let's go back to your rather peculiar idea that a man who drinks vodka can't possibly be an islamic terrorist.... Stick to the point for once, perhaps, rather than changing the subject?

Nancy, point taken -- I read it in a hurry

This lack of basic comprehension skills is not really selling your theories to us Kurkum.

Oh dear, Cogito, you don't know much about Islam, do you?

Even selling alcohol is a sin in Islam:

Why Alcohol is Haram

"O you who believe! Intoxicants (all kinds of alcoholic drinks), and gambling, and Al Ansaab [stone altars for sacrifices to idols, etc.], and Al Azlaam (arrows for seeking luck or decision) are an abomination of Shaytaan's (Satan's) handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in
order that you may be successful." [Holy Koran, al-Maa'idah 5:90]

"It was narrated in a saheeh report that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) cursed alcohol, the one who drinks it, the one who pours it, the one who extracts the juice, the one for whom it is extracted, the one who carries it, the one to whom it is carried, the one who sells it, the one who buys it and the one who consumes its price."

So, wanabee Jihadees will feel ok about guzzling vodka and eating pork chops? (The flesh of pigs, to Muslims, is about as tasty a proposition as the thought of kitten kebabs or roast puppy meat to you).